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Old 05-02-2009, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default How can we justify eating animals morally?

we can't we are all immoral when we do this. I thought I could refute the arguement but I can't. Eating animals is wrong.

I reccommend some of Gary Francione's books, he is a cool guy and very into this stuff.

Im still gonna eat animals but I guess Im just an *******.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:03 PM   #2
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-Control Overpopulation
-Survival
-I'm hungry
-Gotta have my protein so I can gain muscle
-Nutrients in Meat that you cant get in veggies.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:06 PM   #3
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-Control Overpopulation
-Survival of the fittest
-I'm hungry
-Gotta have my protein so I can gain muscle

nah those dont work...you dont need animals to get protein to gain muscle, survival of the fittest isnt a moral answer its a consequense and controlling overpopulation isnt true.

humane treatment principal states that we have an obligation not to inflict unnecessary suffering upon animals. This obligation is based on sentience.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:07 PM   #4
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-Control Overpopulation
-Survival
-I'm hungry
-Gotta have my protein so I can gain muscle
-Nutrients in Meat that you cant get in veggies.

First one - Humans are the most overpopulated creatures in the world.

Survival.. elaboratone.

Third one... weak. Berries and leavs would sustain hunger and are faster.

Fourth one... Quinoa, combinations of beans and dairy products are sufficient complete amino acids in combination.

Last one - B12 supplements are out there...


I'm thinking about just deeming ourselves masters of the food chain considering we run sh!t in dis here Planet Earth. The ultimate predator, Homo Sapiens.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:07 PM   #5
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Human beings are animals. Some animals are carnivores. I am a carnivore.

I win.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:09 PM   #6
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Human beings are animals. Some animals are carnivores. I am a carnivore.

I win.

not really...you whole logic is if they can do it I can do it too...Thats not very convincing.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:12 PM   #7
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Unnecessary is so f*cking ambiguous and impractical. good luck with that u have me stumped.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:14 PM   #8
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nah those dont work...you dont need animals to get protein to gain muscle, survival of the fittest isnt a moral answer its a consequense and controlling overpopulation isnt true.

humane treatment principal states that we have an obligation not to inflict unnecessary suffering upon animals. This obligation is based on sentience.

You're on an island and you see a pig. What do you do? You kill it and eat it to survive.
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not really...you whole logic is if they can do it I can do it too...Thats not very convincing.

Like your lame ass attempts at logic are so compelling Humans are omnivores. If I choose to eat meat I am only following nature's course, and we are here on this planet only because of nature, so why resist?

I win again. Me: 2, you: 0.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:16 PM   #10
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You're on an island and you see a pig. What do you do? You kill it and eat it to survive.

The other part of the human treatment principal is in situations of true conflict we may prefer humans interests to animals interests.

So if this is a true emergency or conflict yes...But if you can survive without it then the answer is no.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:20 PM   #11
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Are you done talking about the latest chapter you went over in Law school?
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:22 PM   #12
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Like your lame ass attempts at logic are so compelling Humans are omnivores. If I choose to eat meat I am only following nature's course, and we are here on this planet only because of nature, so why resist?

I win again. Me: 2, you: 0.

Just because something is natural doesnt make it morally acceptable. Just about every form of discrimination ever practiced has been deemed as natural as well as traditional. We justified human slavery as representing a "natural hierachy" , we justified sexism as representing the natural superioty of men over women. So using its natural as justification just doesnt cut it.
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Are you done talking about the latest chapter you went over in Law school?

well its an interesting question...Im actually reading some books on morality myself but thanks for keeping tabs. Schools over.

So no im not done...I would expect people would find this an interesting proposition
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Just because something is natural doesnt make it morally acceptable. Just about every form of discrimination ever practiced has been deemed as natural as well as traditional. We justified human slavery as representing a "natural hierachy" , we justified sexism as representing the natural superioty of men over women. So using its natural as justification just doesnt cut it.

That's not the point. It's pretty much a biological fact seeing as how we got canines and digestive systems to accompany this. black and white superiority isirrelevant
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:26 PM   #15
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humane treatment principal states that we have an obligation not to inflict unnecessary suffering upon animals. This obligation is based on sentience.
first, how is a quick death (bolt through brain or quick decapitation) unnecessary suffering?

Second, I suggest you look up the expensive tissue hypothesis. How did humans become so encephalized (Brain to body ratio)?
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