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Old 12-15-2010, 11:42 AM   #241
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It wasn't a 30 for 30 episode. ESPN did a special that aired last night called, 'Homecoming', with Magic Johnson hosted by Rick Reilly. It was something like a friendly "town hall" meeting held at Michigan State with the audience including many of Magic's closest friends and former teammates. Also, Magic told many stories last night, and was asked who was actually better, Bird or MJ. He couldn't give a clear answer but simply said that both were great in their own way.

Holy shit how did I miss this? Please tell me this is coming on again. I'll check now...
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:45 AM   #242
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Got it. http://espn.go.com/blog/rick-reilly-...-magic-johnson

I'm going to add this to my dvr when I get home

Magic Johnson: The Greatest Shot Ever
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:47 AM   #243
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Bird or Jordan hmmm...

Magic respects those guys to much to say either or.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:47 AM   #244
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you are obviously wrong.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:48 AM   #245
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MJ denied alot of players from getting a ring..

Wow you sure bring something new and interesting to the conversation.

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Old 12-15-2010, 11:49 AM   #246
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Bird or Jordan hmmm...

Magic respects those guys to much to say either or.
"one did it on the ground cuz he couldnt jump, the other did it in the air."

Good episode.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:53 AM   #247
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Bulls like I said you sometimes show your age. Converse had Magic Bird King Isiah ect..... Nike put all its effrot in Jordan. IT paid off. As a player if your marketing agent was spliting its focus on 10 players vs a company focus on 1 player who do you think wins for the player?
Say what? So your saying that the 800lbs gorilla (converse) signs all the biggest stars of its time, but since nike picked up only jordan, that's why they got so big? Cuz they only got 1 superstar? Come on. That should tell you all you need to know. Converse made commercials for their stars. Alot in fact. Jordan was just bigger than those guys. And this was even before he started winning. And dr J had commercials too.

Gatorade moved from being a sports drink to being an everyday drink.

And alot of people didn't even have cable til the mid 90s. ESPN started in the late 80s I believe. These companies saw how big jordan was and jumped on.

By the way, im 36. And I remeber I would tune in to ESPN solely to watch the jordan highlights. And I don't rememeber everything. But I remember that bird and magic had endorsements and were on magazine covers, commerials, billboards etc, as was jordan. Jordan was just a bigger name.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:56 AM   #248
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90's

Jordan's comp....

Ewing Knicks
Malone + Stockton Jazz
Clyde's Blazers
Barkley + KJ Suns
Payton + Kemp's Sonics

Now could any of these teams win rings in the 80's against...

Bad Boy Detroit Pistons
Showtime Lakers
Malone and Dr. J Sixers
Larry Legend's Celtics


I don't think so.

IMO and we will never know...Jordan's Bulls could probably take 1 or 2 titles in this era at most.

And the four 80's teams would all rack up 5 to 6 titles in the 90's.

Now somebody please argue this.....this is all we have been pointing out.
If you did not grow up watching both decades...I suggest you STFU.
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:00 PM   #249
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A real good comparison but that doesnt make either team a all time great.

How about sweeping a Sonic team in 87
Dale Ellis 24 ppg
Tom Chambers 23 ppg
X Mcdaniel 23 ppg

4-1 Against the Warriors
Joe Barry Carroll 21 ppg
Sleepy Flood 18 ppg
Purvis Short 18ppg
Chris Mullin 15 ppg

3-0 Denver

Alex English
Fat Lever
Bill hanzlik
Darrell Walker

How does that look for the very weak West
Then 4-2 agaisnt a Boston team just the year before every one calls the GOAT team. The same team that swept your Bulls beat the Bucks and Pistons yet were just too beat up to match the lakers Excuses
Wow, ok, in your opinion, who had the harder road? And I agree with you about the celtics. Im sick of the excuses. Mchale was there. End of discussion. Just know that it proves the 87 lakers were the best team of the 80s.
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:08 PM   #250
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^^^^^^^^^^

Man Sleepy Floyd...

That guy really did look Sleepy.
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:25 PM   #251
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90's

Jordan's comp....

Ewing Knicks
Malone + Stockton Jazz
Clyde's Blazers
Barkley + KJ Suns
Payton + Kemp's Sonics

Now could any of these teams win rings in the 80's against...

Bad Boy Detroit Pistons
Showtime Lakers
Malone and Dr. J Sixers
Larry Legend's Celtics


I don't think so.

IMO and we will never know...Jordan's Bulls could probably take 1 or 2 titles in this era at most.

And the four 80's teams would all rack up 5 to 6 titles in the 90's.

Now somebody please argue this.....this is all we have been pointing out.
If you did not grow up watching both decades...I suggest you STFU.
At full strength none of those teams are beating the 80s championship teams. But im sure they couldve beat the rockets and the early sixers. And im sure none of the loosing teams arent beating the bulls either. So what's the point?
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:37 PM   #252
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At full strength none of those teams are beating the 80s championship teams. But im sure they couldve beat the rockets and the early sixers. And im sure none of the loosing teams arent beating the bulls either. So what's the point?

Those 4 80's teams competed with each other hence the 80's were tougher.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:25 PM   #253
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Say what? So your saying that the 800lbs gorilla (converse) signs all the biggest stars of its time, but since nike picked up only jordan, that's why they got so big? Cuz they only got 1 superstar? Come on. That should tell you all you need to know. Converse made commercials for their stars. Alot in fact. Jordan was just bigger than those guys. And this was even before he started winning. And dr J had commercials too.

Gatorade moved from being a sports drink to being an everyday drink.

And alot of people didn't even have cable til the mid 90s. ESPN started in the late 80s I believe. These companies saw how big jordan was and jumped on.

By the way, im 36. And I remeber I would tune in to ESPN solely to watch the jordan highlights. And I don't rememeber everything. But I remember that bird and magic had endorsements and were on magazine covers, commerials, billboards etc, as was jordan. Jordan was just a bigger name.
Let me first say Im glad your in your early 30's I have even more respect for you.You love the game. First off Nike also had a guy name Geoge Gevin with one of the best posters ever him sitting on several blocks of Ice. By the 90's Nike was even or had passed Converse.

Can you remind me of the Dr J comercials in 75 ?


As far as Gatorade just to help you was more than just a basketball drink. IT got its fame from the Flordia Gators and was popular in every sport.

Im 10 years older than you the change of media from the 70's to the 90's til today was different. Example it took Jordan at least 5 years to get real notice Lebron came in as "THE KING". HE should thank Jordan yes but Jordan should also thank Magic/Bird and Doc J
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:52 PM   #254
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Let me first say Im glad your in your early 30's I have even more respect for you.You love the game. First off Nike also had a guy name Geoge Gevin with one of the best posters ever him sitting on several blocks of Ice. By the 90's Nike was even or had passed Converse.

Can you remind me of the Dr J comercials in 75 ?


As far as Gatorade just to help you was more than just a basketball drink. IT got its fame from the Flordia Gators and was popular in every sport.

Im 10 years older than you the change of media from the 70's to the 90's til today was different. Example it took Jordan at least 5 years to get real notice Lebron came in as "THE KING". HE should thank Jordan yes but Jordan should also thank Magic/Bird and Doc J
Gatorade was known as a sports drink. In fact, it was more popular as a football drink as opposed to being a basketball drink. It just picked up steam and became more mainstream by the 90s. And I was 1 in 75 I just remember some dr j commercials in the 80s. But vaguely. But I agree, magic and bird paved the way for jordan as well as jordan for kobe and james.
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Old 12-15-2010, 01:59 PM   #255
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well late 80s he finally got over the bad boy pistons. umm then in the 90s the knicks. apparently they were like the bad boy pistons on steroids. but really toward the end he was beating his health.
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