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Old 12-28-2010, 10:54 AM   #16
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My whole game was based around these few things and a good touch around the rim. For some reason many never develop these things.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:55 AM   #17
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what's there to lie about? i'm talking about the old days vs. now. i had height and pretty good hops back in the day. now i just got height and not so great reflexes. so why u mad? were you the guys who used to get swatted all the time?

change your name from DCL to fabricater.
no one cares about the glory days you never had.

and i would kill you in basketball. murder you.

no seriously, internet basketball hype talk is the most wack shit ever. go post a video of yourself or some stats or soemthing, no one believes you stopping 2 on 1 breaks and 370 dunking on people.

at least i know i don't.

DCL- Damn, created lies.

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Old 12-28-2010, 10:56 AM   #18
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When I teach man defense at the middle school and even high school level, I often teach a form of angled gambling. Most people know the towel drill. Where a player advances a ball up the court while a defender tries to continually turn him. It's an excercise in moving one's feet, but it doesn't have the practical in game application unless a risk is taken. I teach my best athletes (the best athletes because they have the bodies to recover ground, and I'm trying to teach them how to use it) to force a turn, and then reach for a steal. Not into the body, but a clean ball reach....
If I decide to coach next year consider this stolen.

I never thought to use that drill to explain not just defensive positioning but risk and reward of a steal attempt.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:57 AM   #19
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The overwhelming majority of pro players don't know much about playing defensive angles, in large part because they never had to. When you're that talented physically, you can make up for a lot of those little skills. In fact, some guys play into getting beat because they can "trick" offensive players into thinking there's something there that isn't. It's a bad habit to get into. But when you're playing, the results are the results. Those guys who are that physically gifted get sifted out of the system over the years because they never get coached to do it the right way. They stop progressing at the point at which there physical advantage stops existing, weather that's high college, low college, semi-pro ball, or even the jump from the playground to a real high school team. It could be a lack of smarts, or a lack of will, but for some reason some guys just never pick it up.

When I teach man defense at the middle school and even high school level, I often teach a form of angled gambling. Most people know the towel drill. Where a player advances a ball up the court while a defender tries to continually turn him. It's an excercise in moving one's feet, but it doesn't have the practical in game application unless a risk is taken. I teach my best athletes (the best athletes because they have the bodies to recover ground, and I'm trying to teach them how to use it) to force a turn, and then reach for a steal. Not into the body, but a clean ball reach. If you don't get it, then yeah, you'll be crossed up, maybe even look bad, but it's a measure of risk reward. We do it on fully court man pressure. There's plenty of room to make up that ground. And plenty of help behind you to give you time to recover. The reward, the steal in an open court, is well worth the risk, a guy moving from one volleyball line to another. It doesn't hurt us at all. But it all starts with cheating those angles. Get your head on the ball handlers outside hip. You don't even have to be within 3 feet of him. At that distance from the rim, there's no need to be physical. Just get your head on the outer hip, and make him put the ball in front of you. Get your hand on the floor between his legs, where the ball is most likely to hit. If you do that a few times, you can start going a double force. Get to the outside of one hip, then immediately, without reaching, jump to the other hip. You'll beat him to that spot and could force a turnover.
The defensive angles get more obtuse the closer to the hoop you get, so take advantage of the easy ones early in the possession. And by getting middle school kids to do it, while explaining it's purpose, will make it easier for them to understand the harder ones in the half court when I get to that.


exactly how I attempted to play defense even though I am not a super athlete. I was never taught this though, just picked it up from playing ball in various places. Very nice articulation of this concept
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change your name from DCL to fabricater.
no one cares about the glory days you never had.

and i would kill you in basketball. murder you.

a fabricater who admits to having weaker athleticism and slower reflexes now. right!! why would anyone fabricate these things? your argument is kinda retarded...

not sure which part of my post got you so riled up, but you're a bitter little fella.
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:09 AM   #21
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....because now if those 2 guys come at me, i gotta think fast whether i take a step forward at the guy with the ball who might shoot or stay back where the other guy might receive a quick dish. i don't think players really care to learn to optimize these things until certain advantages go away.
What I've noticed is now guys have such crappy awareness and understanding of fastbreak spacing that you don't even have to move most times.

A few years ago I watched Kendall Marshall get a ridiculously easy steal that way. Two guys running at him barely ten feet apart from each other.

Kendall gave a fake like he was gonna pressure the ball as soon as the Ball handler began his gather. Handler didn't have the ability to finish off one step so the fake threw him off and he coughed up the rock.


The ability to play off one step is a money maker at the high school level. High school interior players seem to NEVER adjust to a player that can do that. If you have a ref who calls fouls on after shot contact a kid can rack up a bunch of points off "and 1's".
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Old 12-28-2010, 11:11 AM   #22
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I just gave a few tips, but its kinda hard online since we need to show body positioning and angles.... feel me? but I'll try my best to share what I can and as understandable as I can.

I quit because I hurt my knee.

I was too competitive and had too much pride to keep getting beat, and it really sucked to not have the same abilities you once did.

Trust me... it sucks when your brain and instincts are telling you to do one thing, but your body can't do them.

I was also missing work because I kept getting injured.

I had to decide between my job or basketball, and paying the bills won.

I still wish I could play (damn I miss it more than anything in the world), but it is what it is.
You can join an easier league and turn yourself into a jumpshooter. Play the perimeter and play zone instead of man to man. That's what I did when I got a good job. I joined a weekly casual league where everyone play zone and no one is outstanding at basketball. No injury in 2 years so far.
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:56 PM   #23
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wow how come great tips from basketball are from a forum that says anything except basketball lol. I probably am one of the new generation players. It seems like I'm aware of these stuff but just don't know how to train it and get it stuck in my mind.
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Old 12-28-2010, 03:40 PM   #24
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Agreed on the rebounding part.

I'm 5'6 and I was around 165 when I played, but I always guarded the post players.

Why?

By putting pressure on their knees (or legs) I was able to either push them out or more importantly, push them underneath the board. Most people don't understand simple shit like this.

If I try to outmuscle them with my upper body, they'll obviously beat me since they're bigger and stronger (they'll usually be 6'0 and taller). But their strength it usually nulled when I put all my strength on their lower body. Only time it can backfire is if they're smart enough and shorter stubby strong dudes with thick legs who understand body positioning.

Pushing them under the rim (again.... know where you are) will eliminate them from getting the board 9-10 times. Again... something people don't really do, they spend much of their time battling for position around the rim.

Long shots will more than likely also result in longer rebounds, and even if one doesn't get the rebound, preventing their best rebounder from getting it is just as good.

I also agree on the ISO shit.

I don't know if today's generation know what a screen is or how to properly execute a pick and roll.

The last time I played ball (yearsssss ago), it was my boy and I vs 2 high school players. These dudes were lightning fast, could jump outta the gym, had crazy handles etc.etc.

But we beat them.

How?

Pick and roll... pick and roll.

When they had the ball, we gave them enough space to do all their fancy And 1 shit and positioned ourselves to force them to their weak side with one of us ready to help. Sure they beat us from time to time, but we still won, even tho we shouldn't have.

i learned all those things at a young age, it was never something i thought about but for some reason i always knew them... i never had someone teach me any of those either
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:55 PM   #25
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a fabricater who admits to having weaker athleticism and slower reflexes now. right!! why would anyone fabricate these things? your argument is kinda retarded...

not sure which part of my post got you so riled up, but you're a bitter little fella.

suck my dick.
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Old 12-28-2010, 07:06 PM   #26
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Not to do with angles and body positioning but a lil bit of advice for everyone is to work on your off hand not just dribbling but finishing around the hoop with floaters, hooks, layups etc.. You will notice a dramatic improvement in your game when you are as confident with each hand finishing around the hoop.
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Old 12-29-2010, 06:56 AM   #28
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suck my dick.

very typical lame response from a troll. or maybe you're just an angry fat midget who can't even touch the net so you got to hate others. pretty sure you'll have another lame comeback and respond to yourself again with your other lame accounts so i'll just put you on ignore, son.
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If I decide to coach next year consider this stolen.

I never thought to use that drill to explain not just defensive positioning but risk and reward of a steal attempt.


Steal all you like.
Use that "head on hip" teaching point to turn guys. It's one of those little verbal cues that my father came up with that just made things register for me when I was a kid. Like when I first started extending my shooting range, and my shot got flat, he eventually said to shoot it like I was "in a phone booth", and it just sort clicked. It's weird how little things can just snap in your head. It's not like no one else ever tried to verbalize a way to fix my issue, but for some reason sometimes one thing just sticks for you.

Then he put up a little dog pen outside my hoop for me to shoot out of.
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very typical lame response from a troll. or maybe you're just an angry fat midget who can't even touch the net so you got to hate others. pretty sure you'll have another lame comeback and respond to yourself again with your other lame accounts so i'll just put you on ignore, son.

go for it.

its not like i stay on ISH to dwell on my glory days like you. the glory days you never had.

and keep with the anon negging i do not care.
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