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Old 01-22-2011, 12:09 AM   #1
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Default No one on this Knicks team understands...

...that, as an individual, you can have a great game, a dominant, MVP-type performance, without scoring a ton of points. Or any at all. It's a very significant form of in-game tunnel-vision. Or maybe it's cultural. I don't know. They had a little prerecorded interview segment with Felton between the third and fourth quarters (or thereabouts), and all he could talk about was how he wasn't afraid to shoot. How he would be the one to take the last shot or the big shots or all the shots. Whatever. how about getting excited about throwing the perfect assist? Or setting the screen that gets Landry or Gallo a dunk? Or connecting with Wilson on an alley-oop? And that's just offense. How about forcing a shot clock violation or a clutch steal, Larry bird style? There is more to basketball than scoring, and these guys have to learn that.

Except for Ronny. He tries to pick up all the non-scoring slack. Just wish he was a few inches taller. Toney Douglas plays really tough D too, so that's better than nothing.

And Melo is the same kind of player. Aside from all the positives he brings to a team, that worries me.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:23 AM   #2
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I agree. Amare Stoudamire is becoming a black hole out there.. Once he gets the ball it's totally gone, he needs to play a little more conservative.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:29 AM   #3
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Well, their offensive struggles begin and end with the point guard. Felton has to play better, he has to play smarter. He has to control the rhythm of the game and make the offense easier for team mates.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:35 AM   #4
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Amar'e has the lowest bball IQ of any superstar in the league. He'll drive to the hoop with four guys in the paint waiting for him. Meanwhile, EVERYBODY on our team is wide open. Will he pass? Nope.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:40 AM   #5
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when our offense becomes stale, amare takes it on himself to score, and more times than none, he forces it too much with good d on him. Thats why i keep saying we need another guy on this team with a superstar label that the rest of the league knows will dominate with a snap of a finger. And when the rest of the knicks apart from amare starts to go cold...Its easy for the D to just focus on 1 guy, cause thats where the ball will end up.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:46 AM   #6
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when our offense becomes stale, amare takes it on himself to score, and more times than none, he forces it too much with good d on him. Thats why i keep saying we need another guy on this team with a superstar label that the rest of the league knows will dominate with a snap of a finger. And when the rest of the knicks apart from amare starts to go cold...Its easy for the D to just focus on 1 guy, cause thats where the ball will end up.
Though I agree another superstar would help. That's not really the root of our problems. The problem is Amar'e is a finisher, not a creator. He needs to get the ball when he's in position to score. The system requires a do-it-all PG that'll handle the ball 99% of the time and everyone would just stand around the 3-point line waiting for their open threes with Amar'e waiting for his alleyoop. This season is proof that Nash made that system, not D'Antoni. He didn't run any plays in Phoenix. All he did was give the ball to Nash and let him freestyle and pass it to whoever he wanted. Unfortunately, there's probably only 1 other player in the league that can do that and that's CP3. We need some real plays. No more of this BS offense where Amar'e pretends he's a SG.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:54 AM   #7
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yea thats true, a better pg would def make this system more efficient and require less of amare holding the ball 20 feet out and everyone else backing away to watch amare drive and either lose the ball on his way up or end up getting a charging call, or throwing up a crappy shot with 5 defenders ready to rebound. and our short players around em.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:31 AM   #8
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Amar'e has the lowest bball IQ of any superstar in the league. He'll drive to the hoop with four guys in the paint waiting for him. Meanwhile, EVERYBODY on our team is wide open. Will he pass? Nope.
Even if he did pass, they ain't gonna hit shit.

Lets pick apart this starting line-up.

Gallo, ain't hitting shit from three, or anywhere else considering shooting is his strength plus ain't passing, although it's been suggested he be a point forward, got as many fouls, turnovers as he does assists, yet passing is a supposed strength as well.

Chandler is clearly focused with the off-season, especially noted since he fired his agent.

He is having a his best statistical season, he is showing what his "ceiling" is, but once again, he is a role player.

He has been the second consistent Knick this season.

Fields has surprised us all, true enough, but let's be serious......

10ppg average from a starting shooting guard??

He leads the league in 2 guard rebounding because.....

His game fits more a small forward.

Fields is who should be used as the point forward, not Gallo.

If anyone really watches the game, Fields connects more on the pick and roll with Stat and everyone else better than anyone on the team.

I have said this before, but we are looking at a young Scottie Pippen.

But Fields is playing out of position so his efforts will be wasted.

He was a forward in college and his game suits that better.

He stretches the defense by his catch and shoot, makes the pass, and moves very well off the ball.

But being the last option on the floor.....

1)further impresses what he does
2)pretty sad considering he has been the most consistent and efficient player.

But we wonder why Stat barrels over triple teams?

Look at his starting cast and look at the offensive game plan from the coach.

Face it, the team is an average team.

It's Stat, with role players, out of position role players.

As much as we say Felton needs a backup, I really think he needs to move over.

He clearly has a shooting guards mindset, and skill set.

He gets assists, true enough, but not pg assists.

They don't come from a set play, usually from a broken play.

He doesn't drive and kick, or pick and roll well, which is usually where true pg's get their assists from.

Of course who would start??

And of course we don't play Centers, so even more out of position play.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:28 AM   #9
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If we do get Melo, would it be so bad to see if we could get Nash from Phoenix? I think his contract comes off in '12.
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If we do get Melo, would it be so bad to see if we could get Nash from Phoenix? I think his contract comes off in '12.
It wouldn't be bad.

I doubt Nash gets traded though.

Only was that happens is if he asks for it.
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Old 01-22-2011, 12:18 PM   #11
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It wouldn't be bad.

I doubt Nash gets traded though.

Only was that happens is if he asks for it.
yea but felton doin solid anyway yall
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Old 01-22-2011, 03:48 PM   #12
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Even if he did pass, they ain't gonna hit shit.

Lets pick apart this starting line-up.

Gallo, ain't hitting shit from three, or anywhere else considering shooting is his strength plus ain't passing, although it's been suggested he be a point forward, got as many fouls, turnovers as he does assists, yet passing is a supposed strength as well.

Chandler is clearly focused with the off-season, especially noted since he fired his agent.
So Amar'e trying to score over four players is more efficient than dishing it out to two open 37% 3-point shooters, not that I'm as stat-obsessed as you or franchize. OK. And Gallo hasn't been used as a point forward once. He'll go 1 or 2 stretches a week where he gets the ball then is ignored for several games.
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yea but felton doin solid anyway yall

I like Ray too. But he's hitting some sort of wall or something. He's banged up a bit. Maybe the AS break will be a good time to rest and heal up. I still wouldn't mind Nash on this team. If Phoenix did trade him, they would be throwing in the towel, no doubt.
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Old 01-22-2011, 05:12 PM   #14
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amare runs into 4 guys, passing most likey ends up in the hands of one of the 4 guys.
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amare runs into 4 guys, passing most likey ends up in the hands of one of the 4 guys.
Yes, because he's a shitty passer.
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