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Old 01-26-2011, 04:15 PM   #1
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Default Chisholm: Rebuilding The Raptors Isn't Pretty, But Necessary

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Raptor fans, this is what you asked for. This is what true rebuilding looks like in the NBA. So please, stop complaining.

For years I've heard you beg for a teardown. For years you've asked the organization to stop trying to lipstick on a dying frog. No more acquiring a broken-down Hakeem Olajuwon, no more trading for an over-the-hill Jalen Rose, no more investing in Jermaine O'Neal and Hedo Turkoglu take it all apart and start from the beginning.

Well kids, this is what that looks like.

The Raptors are jettisoning veteran players like Jarrett Jack and Peja Stojakovic, taking flyers on young, cheap prospects like Jerryd Bayless, Joey Dorsey, Julian Wright and Alexis Ajinca. They are forcing young prospects like Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson to play through their mistakes, hoping that it will accelerate their development. They are shedding salary owed to players like Turkoglu and Jack in an attempt to clear their major cap obligations over the next year or two. They are attempting to turn their assets and bargaining chips into draft picks, while also hoping that their own first-round pick this year reaches maximum value. When you do all of these things, though, how the Raptors have been playing is what results, and you can expect more of the same until at least April.

Besides, what would you really prefer? Would you rather see the Raptors sacrifice future cap space for Andre Iguodala or Danny Granger, two players that have barely made a dent in the fortunes of their own clubs? Would you want to see the Raptors hang on to their more savvy veterans, and play them at the expense of their youth, so that they can squeeze out 35-wins, miss the playoffs and destroy their draft pick's value? Sure, no one likes to watch their team lose two-thirds of their games, or go on elongated losing streaks, but how else did you expect this to go?

I hear complaints that GM Bryan Colangelo doesn't have a plan, and yet ever since Chris Bosh decided to pack his bags and leave, Colangelo has been utterly consistent and on-point about what he plans to do: acquire and develop youth, seek out draft picks and shed salary obligations. He knows what he tried to do under Bosh didn't work, and he's in the process of dismantling the old building so he can try and build a new one.
He's explicitly NOT trying to patch-up a broken ship, which is why he's not overpaying to get second-tier talent on board today, and he knows that in order to get better his team has to get worse. It's what happens when you turn a team over to very inexperienced young players. It's what happens when you keep plucking veterans out of the locker room. It's what happens when you prioritize acquiring cap space over acquiring contracts.

And it's what happens when you want a top-five pick in the NBA draft.
Right now he's putting this team on a path to their future. Now, if he starts misusing the assets that he's assembling by whiffing in the draft or recklessly spending in free agency, then the criticisms can and should rain down, but for now wouldn't it be more prudent to see how he attempts to rebuild this club before his plan is thrown into the fire?

Look, this is the most uncomfortable part of rebuilding. Of real rebuilding. Not of trying to prop-up a crumbling tower, but of letting the tower crumble and building a new one. Of amassing enough losses to add value to a draft pick. Of parting with capable veterans to let clueless kids learn on the fly. Of sacrificing salary today so you have money to spend tomorrow. Right now it's all about subtraction, about the negative, about reducing the team to zero so they can start to build on a new foundation. Don't have faith in those doing the job? That's fair, they haven't given many overt reasons to have faith, but you have to admit that some of the early signs are at least intriguing.

DeMar DeRozan's confidence is growing by the game, and he's averaging 20 ppg and 3.8 rpg in the month of January. Ed Davis is catching on quickly, already averaging 6 ppg and 6 rpg while adding 1.2 blocks per contest. He has a better rebound rate than Amir Johnson, plays stronger defense, too, and he commits 1.1 fewer fouls per 36 minutes despite not having nearly the level of experience that Johnson has at NBA defense.

The club has been savvy about grabbing young guys like Bayless, Wright and Dorsey, each of whom have shown flashes and have given the team some options going forward. Outside of the roster, the team could wind up shedding as much as $30-million off of their cap at the end of the season, and while no one knows how the new CBA will affect how much of that will be spendable, the team is in a much better place than most to maneuver any upcoming changes. Currently the Raptors do not employ a single player that makes eight-figures this year or next year, and only Andrea Bargnani represents a contract that is worth more than $30-million guaranteed over its lifetime. Plus, young staples like DeRozan and Davis are still years away from having a potentially lucrative extension bargained for and kick-in, so the Raptors have some time to spend their money wisely.

All of this is meant as a way of saying you were right, Raptor fans. The Raptors did need to tear it all down, and that's what they're doing. I wasn't sure if Bryan Colangelo had the stomach for a job like this (when he did this in Phoenix in 2004 he at least had Amar'e Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and Joe Johnson to build around), but so far he's been unexpectedly patient and I, for one, am curious to see how this all unfolds. For the first time in a very long time the Raptors aren't locked-in to anything and the future really is as bright (or as gloomy) as the team chooses to make it. Yes, the losses will continue to pile up, but that shouldn't be something you moan about too loudly since that's how the Raptors increase the quality of their draft pick. Even in a thinner draft, having a pick closer to the top is preferable.

Take a look at what you wanted, Raptor fans. Really consider it and realize that this is how you're going to get it. Take pride in the fact that you knew what had to be done and asked for it, but don't then turn on those attempting to satisfy your wishes. Rebuilding is a process and the Raptors are still in the earliest stages of it don't turn your backs now because if you do you'll miss the next part, which is where the fun begins.

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Old 01-26-2011, 04:24 PM   #2
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'He's explicitly NOT trying to patch-up a broken ship, which is why he's not overpaying to get second-tier talent on board today'

Linas Kleiza? Amir Johnson?
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:44 PM   #3
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Excellent point on Davis that I can't believe I didn't notice. For a shot blocker, fouls have absolutely not been an issue thus far this year. Obviously he is playing a reduced role but it's still encouraging.

As far as the vets on the team like Bargnani, Kleiza and Johnson with large contracts, it could a lot worse. I think the Kleiza signing was universally criticized on here but as far as albatrosses go, the Raps aren't in dire straits with these 3.
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The most annoying thing with this season right now:

Jerryd Bayless, age 22, starts one game and gets 15, 11 & 8 and plays an overall solid game. So what happens next game? He plays 14 minutes. I know Calderon is the veteran on this team, he's "paid his dues" and he's a nice guy but at what point do the Raptors start doing what's best for the Raptors and not what's best for Jose Calderon?

The variance in Bayless' minutes are ridiculous. This guy should be starting and should be playing 26-30 minutes guaranteed unless he is playing awful. The Raptors got a nice deal in getting a young "buy low" player like him. This is the time to see what you have in this guy. Is he worth keeping around and re-signing to a multi-year deal or not? Is he a potential starter for you long-term?

Jerryd Bayless should be starting and playing big minutes. I don't give a damn what kind of message this would send. You do what's best for the development of your team. Calderon playing his way into trade interest from other teams is a pipedream on his current contract. And when Barbosa comes back, you'll probably see his minutes go down even more if both Barbosa and Calderon are healthy.
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NJ lost today!! We are in 4th! These next two games against Minnesota are huge!
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has BC said this team is in rebuilding mode? Grunwald and Babcock had told fans what to expect and had laid out a plan. BC hasn't done that. He hasn't said shit in terms of the direction of this team. So even though we are in a rebuilding mode, unless and until management (who makes the decisions) admits to it....it doesn't mean we are in that mode.
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has BC said this team is in rebuilding mode? Grunwald and Babcock had told fans what to expect and had laid out a plan. BC hasn't done that. He hasn't said shit in terms of the direction of this team. So even though we are in a rebuilding mode, unless and until management (who makes the decisions) admits to it....it doesn't mean we are in that mode.
It's like when the Raptors had a star PF and were ready to start trying to win but BC also wanted to develop a project PF at at the same time wasting time and assets. BC tried to straddle the line rather than make a firm decision of which direction to go in.

I don't believe there is any set plan. I bet if Colangelo had the chance to do the Tyson Chandler deal again now he'd be all over it trying to gun for the 8th seed and completely disregarding any plan to develop Ed Davis.
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Old 01-27-2011, 12:55 AM   #8
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I think if this team was healthy they'd be battling it out for the eighth seed in the east, but the vets like Barbosa, Calderon, and Klezia out the Raps have no choice but to rebuild
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has BC said this team is in rebuilding mode? Grunwald and Babcock had told fans what to expect and had laid out a plan. BC hasn't done that. He hasn't said shit in terms of the direction of this team. So even though we are in a rebuilding mode, unless and until management (who makes the decisions) admits to it....it doesn't mean we are in that mode.

Actions speak louder then words.
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It's like when the Raptors had a star PF and were ready to start trying to win but BC also wanted to develop a project PF at at the same time wasting time and assets. BC tried to straddle the line rather than make a firm decision of which direction to go in.

I don't believe there is any set plan. I bet if Colangelo had the chance to do the Tyson Chandler deal again now he'd be all over it trying to gun for the 8th seed and completely disregarding any plan to develop Ed Davis.

BC always said Bargnani was going to be a centre, don't stretch the truth, it's not like you. And we were never going to win anything with Bosh as our go to guy.
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The most annoying thing with this season right now:

Jerryd Bayless, age 22, starts one game and gets 15, 11 & 8 and plays an overall solid game. So what happens next game? He plays 14 minutes. I know Calderon is the veteran on this team, he's "paid his dues" and he's a nice guy but at what point do the Raptors start doing what's best for the Raptors and not what's best for Jose Calderon?

The variance in Bayless' minutes are ridiculous. This guy should be starting and should be playing 26-30 minutes guaranteed unless he is playing awful. The Raptors got a nice deal in getting a young "buy low" player like him. This is the time to see what you have in this guy. Is he worth keeping around and re-signing to a multi-year deal or And when Barbosa comes back, you'll probably see his minutes go down even more if both Barbosa and Calderon are healthy.

It makes sense to play Jose up to the deadline. There will still be plenty of time for bayless to play, but right now the emphasis should be to try and trade Jose and barbosa. Even though you think that is a long shot, he was almost traded in the offseason and that was before he proved he could still play. Jose has actually had a very good year and I still think he could contribute well on a veteran playoff team. His numbers are close to where they have been when he was at the top of his game and his d has not been as bad as it was last year. If a serious contender loses a pg to injury they will call about Jose.

And BC has admitted to rebuilding. He said something about moving from building around bosh to building after bosh.

I think if he wants another chance he should trade bargs in order to win some fan support. Bargs got us into thIs mess maybe he can get us out.

But overall I like the rebuild direction this year, especially the fact we are dropping in the standings. I think if a different gm were running the team right now making the same decisions, trading for bayless and losing people would be a lot happier.
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BC always said Bargnani was going to be a centre, don't stretch the truth, it's not like you. And we were never going to win anything with Bosh as our go to guy.

Except for the the time Bargnani was our starting SF.
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Except for the the time Bargnani was our starting SF.

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These are the only players who should be getting minutes at this point


PG: Bayless / Barbosa
SG: DeRozan / Weems
SF: Kleiza / Wright
PF: Johnson / Davis
CT: Bargnani / Dorsey

Ajinca and Alabi can play in the D league and maybe a few minutes here, but these are the only guys who should be getting any significant minutes for us, Salary total is something like $35 million
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These are the only players who should be getting minutes at this point


PG: Bayless / Barbosa
SG: DeRozan / Weems
SF: Kleiza / Wright
PF: Johnson / Davis
CT: Bargnani / Dorsey

Ajinca and Alabi can play in the D league and maybe a few minutes here, but these are the only guys who should be getting any significant minutes for us, Salary total is something like $35 million

Barbosa shouldn't be getting minutes if Calderon isn't. They both need to be traded.
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