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Old 02-03-2011, 06:17 AM   #1
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Default Felton over the last 10 games

Points: 12.7
Rebounds: 2.7
Assists: 8.7
Turnovers: 2.8
FG: 33.3% (49-147)
3-pt FG: 22.5% (9-40)

Honorable mention:
3-pt FG in last 6 games: 13% (3-23)

His game really regressed lately.
His assists are overrated,he doesn't play defense.
He has been shooting poorly during the last 10 games (especially last 6).

His season average is 17.1 / 3.7 / 8.9 with 42% fg and 33% from the 3-pt line.(His last 10 games are also accounted for his season stats so his actual stats before this 10 game stretch were even better).
Even he is 6th in assists per game he is 18th in the league in assists percentage (en estimate of percentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor)

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Old 02-03-2011, 07:55 AM   #2
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Default Re: Felton over the last 10 games

He needs less mpg. We need a legit back-up pg, I like TD, but when he's running the show, I'm not comfortable with it.
Hopefully with the AS break, Ray will get some much needed rest. Or work on his cardio.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:57 AM   #3
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He needs less mpg. We need a legit back-up pg, I like TD, but when he's running the show, I'm not comfortable with it.
Hopefully with the AS break, Ray will get some much needed rest. Or work on his cardio.

Eddy Curry 2.0 playing at pg.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:33 AM   #4
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Default Re: Felton over the last 10 games

The team is gonna go the way Felton goes.

He is a scoring PG, which is why he plays TD with him for long stretches.

I hate seeing that BTW.

But Douglas really can't run the point at all.

If Felton's his shot is off the team is gonna suffer.

He has been kind bad on defense lately, but hell. the whole team has.

Now how exactly is his assists overrated?

Actually I'm surprised, he still gets assists at all considering the team doesn't move the ball.

Every single player on the team the last few games, as soon as they get the ball, wanna put it on the floor.

Even Fields has done it, and that's clearly not his game.

I remember some time back when we had the "would you trade Felton for CP3 right now?" thread.

There was actually people stating they wouldn't, because Paul doesn't improve the team.

Even when Felton was playing great, I said I would.

My only concern about Paul is if he has fully recovered, his durability.

But I realize this is a "what have you done for me lately" threads.

The guy is not a solution at pg.

Walsh didn't think he was when he signed him.

Walsh has done with Felton, the same thing he did with Duhon.

Assess whether he can be the point of the future, but in the meantime, Band-aid the position until something better comes up.

Then when his contract is up, somebody will give Felton some serious cheese, just like Orlando did with Duhon.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:49 AM   #5
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Now how exactly is his assists overrated?

When you see a guy who averages 9 assists per game you would probably say that he is a pass first point guard with a great passing ability.
But he isn't.
He benefits from our fast game,more possessions= more opportunities to assist.
Also,he hasn't been dishing like he should have to,for example playing pick and roll with Amare.
Many of his assists are just standing on the perimeter and then passing to ball to someone.
Everyone can do that.

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My only concern about Paul is if he has fully recovered, his durability.
I would love to see healthy Paul in Knicks.
It's a gamble,when he is healthy he is a top3 point guard in the league.
But if he would have many problems with the injuries then we would be screwed.


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The guy is not a solution at pg.
I agree
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:15 AM   #6
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When you see a guy who averages 9 assists per game you would probably say that he is a pass first point guard with a great passing ability.
I would say that at all.

Maybe if I never watched the player in an actual game I would.

I can name quite a few guys have gotten good assists averages as the PG and I don't view them as pass first at all.

There are very few pass first PG's in the league now.

I think Felton is still in the top ten of PG aissts, but I'm willing to bet the majority of the top ten are score first PG's.

I don't count assists just by the numbers alone.

I count when they get the assists, by quarter and within the flow of the offense.

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He benefits from our fast game,more possessions= more opportunities to assist.
Also,he hasn't been dishing like he should have to,for example playing pick and roll with Amare.
Many of his assists are just standing on the perimeter and then passing to ball to someone.
Everyone can do that.


I think we can both agree is that he is not on the first tier level.

But yes the offense does give a pg a chance to get more assists.

I can blame Amar'e and Felton for the P & R not working.

It takes two to make it happen.
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Old 02-03-2011, 08:34 PM   #7
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Points: 12.7
Rebounds: 2.7
Assists: 8.7
Turnovers: 2.8
FG: 33.3% (49-147)
3-pt FG: 22.5% (9-40)

Honorable mention:
3-pt FG in last 6 games: 13% (3-23)

His game really regressed lately.
His assists are overrated,he doesn't play defense.
He has been shooting poorly during the last 10 games (especially last 6).

His season average is 17.1 / 3.7 / 8.9 with 42% fg and 33% from the 3-pt line.(His last 10 games are also accounted for his season stats so his actual stats before this 10 game stretch were even better).
Even he is 6th in assists per game he is 18th in the league in assists percentage (en estimate of percentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor)
damn near 40 minutes a game... i can cut him some slack!

How many PG's play that many minutes and have good numbers unless they are top in that position.

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Old 02-03-2011, 09:11 PM   #8
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The stats aren't even the problem for me. It's the way he plays. We need a new PG asap.
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:31 PM   #9
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The stats aren't even the problem for me. It's the way he plays. We need a new PG asap.
I agree.
But I'm just showing the stats to see how he regressed lately.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:28 AM   #10
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Default Re: Felton over the last 10 games

Nobody is just handing out PG's.

If there is a quality one on deck chances are he is staying with the team that has him.

Even though I don't think these players are the same, he is getting the same run down that Duhon got.

Playing alot of minutes and playing with injuries.

Felton has been a "bad shot" shooters the entire time he has been here.

He was hitting those shots early on, they were there then.

But overall I think he has done well.

I'm not gonna take that from him.

I still think he is a top 10 PG.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:19 AM   #11
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Top 10?Hmmm I guess he could sneak in the bottom of a top 10 list.Let's see
Paul
DWill
Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Parker
Curry
Wall
Evans (is he considered their pg or Udrih)
Jennings
Rondo? (I wouldnt say so but most ppl would)

Guys I'd personally take over Felton: Mo Williams,Jameer Nelson,Chauncey Billups,soon to be Ty Lawson.

I don't think top 10 is a stretch.He could very will be in my top 10 also. Definitely in the bottom half of it though.
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Old 02-04-2011, 09:56 AM   #12
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Top 10?Hmmm I guess he could sneak in the bottom of a top 10 list.Let's see
Paul
DWill
Rose
Westbrook
Nash
Parker
Curry
Wall
Evans (is he considered their pg or Udrih)
Jennings
Rondo? (I wouldnt say so but most ppl would)

Guys I'd personally take over Felton: [B[Mo Williams,Jameer Nelson,Chauncey Billups,soon to be Ty Lawson.[/b]

I don't think top 10 is a stretch.He could very will be in my top 10 also. Definitely in the bottom half of it though.
I agree.....bottom half.

Now the bolded section, I really wouldn't take any of them over than Felton.

I personally don't think Lawson is really considerably better than Toney Douglas.

We already complain that Felton shoots too much, and doesn't involve the other players.

Lawson only looks to dish when he scored his points first.

He scores 3x as many as the assists he dishes out.

I don't like Mo and Jameer at all.

Their picture is in the dictionary next to overrated.

I don't think Chauncey necessarily improves the team.
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:46 PM   #13
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Nobody is just handing out PG's.

If there is a quality one on deck chances are he is staying with the team that has him.

Even though I don't think these players are the same, he is getting the same run down that Duhon got.

Playing alot of minutes and playing with injuries.

Felton has been a "bad shot" shooters the entire time he has been here.

He was hitting those shots early on, they were there then.

But overall I think he has done well.

I'm not gonna take that from him.

I still think he is a top 10 PG.
Statistically he's Top 10. But in this system where the ball is in his hands almost all the time, of course his stats are gonna be up. And it's easy to rack up assists throwing it to a big guy that can catch it no matter how or where you throw the ball at him.

PGs I would take easily ahead of Felton
1. CP3
2. Nash
3. D-Will
4. Rondo
5. Parker
6. Billups
7. Rose
8. Westbrook
9. Curry
10. Kidd
11. Collison
12. Lawson
13. Miller
14. Ridnour
15. Sessions
16. Holiday
17. Harris
18. Calderon
19. Wall
20. Bledsoe
21. Conley
22. Lowry
23. Udrih
24. Jennings
25. Augustin
26. Maynor

Wouldn't take Nelson though. He's pretty much the same player Felton is. I don't like it when people bring up stats without context. It's really annoying. And Felton's stats are up because this system revolves around the PG.
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Old 02-04-2011, 01:03 PM   #14
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Statistically he's Top 10. But in this system where the ball is in his hands almost all the time, of course his stats are gonna be up. And it's easy to rack up assists throwing it to a big guy that can catch it no matter how or where you throw the ball at him.

PGs I would take easily ahead of Felton
1. CP3
2. Nash
3. D-Will
4. Rondo
5. Parker
6. Billups
7. Rose
8. Westbrook
9. Curry
10. Kidd
11. Collison
12. Lawson
13. Miller
14. Ridnour
15. Sessions
16. Holiday
17. Harris
18. Calderon
19. Wall
20. Bledsoe
21. Conley
22. Lowry
23. Udrih
24. Jennings
25. Augustin
26. Maynor

Wouldn't take Nelson though. He's pretty much the same player Felton is. I don't like it when people bring up stats without context. It's really annoying. And Felton's stats are up because this system revolves around the PG.

We figured out that Felton isn't top 5 point guard in the league but he is not that bad.

Look at the "Race to the MVP" on nba.com.
Take a look at number 10:


No. 10 (tie): Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Raymond Felton, Zach Randolph

Dropping out: Amar'e Stoudemire, New York (No. 8 last week); Deron Williams, Utah (No. 9), and Manu Ginobili, San Antonio (No. 10).
Honorable mention: Ginobili; Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers; Joe Johnson, Atlanta; Josh Smith, Atlanta; Stoudemire; Williams.

It seems like they completely lost their mind

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Old 02-04-2011, 01:46 PM   #15
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The thing I'll say in Felton's defense is just that, his defense...which is usually - though not lately - better than most of the guys listed above. If you think our perimeter is bad now, just be grateful we don't have Steph Curry or Ty Lawson holding down that fort.

I think the dip in his D that we've seen lately is a product of minutes and injury. Also, he seems a little out of shape.
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