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Old 08-24-2013, 02:27 PM   #1
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Default Nash vs Payton

Who is the better PG to run your Franchise?


Gary Payton


* 16.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 6.7 apg, 1.8 spg (prime: 24/5/9/2.5)
* PER 18.9 (peak 23.6), WS 145.5
* DPOY, 2x NBA 1st Team, 5x NBA 2nd Team, 9x (in a row!) All-D 1st Team
* 6x Top 6 in MVP voting, once #3
* Led the Sonics into the Finals once, won a ring as a bench player
* One of the greatest post up point guards ever
* Incredible defender, only PG to have won the DPOY Award
* 3rd most prolific ballhawk ever
* 7th greatest assist giver ever (8,966)
* GOAT-level trash talker
* GOAT Sonic


Steve Nash

* 14.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 8.2 apg, 0.8 spg (prime: 19/4/12/1)
* PER 20.2 (peak 23.8), WS 109.4
* 2 MVP, 3x NBA 1st Team, 1x NBA 2nd Team
* Led a thin Suns team into multiple 60 win seasons and deep playoff runs
* Back to back MVPs, nearly became the first guard to win three MVPs in a row
* One of the best passers ever, both in transition and in traffic
* Superb shooter, FT shooter, and 3pt shooter
* Team mates regularly have career years


Respect them both but who is the better PG?

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Old 08-24-2013, 02:30 PM   #2
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GP for sure! Dude's defense was CRAZY! He was much smaller than Jordan, yet gave him fits.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:33 PM   #3
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It depends on what your team needs. If I have a weak offense I'm taking Nash. If I have a weak defense I'm taking Payton
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:33 PM   #4
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If my PG is the focal point of the team, give me the GOAT offensive PG. I'll fill the gaps to mask Nash's weaknesses.

If my PG is the second or third option, give me GP. Particularly if he's a second or third option to another ball dominant wing because GP is pretty terrific off the ball for a PG.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:39 PM   #5
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It depends on what your team needs. If I have a weak offense I'm taking Nash. If I have a weak defense I'm taking Payton


No doubt.

But what im referring to is who would you choose to build around from the gecko
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:43 PM   #6
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Payton's the better all-around PG and player, so him.

Nash may orchestrate an offense better, but Payton's Sonics teams weren't that bad offensively, if memory serves correctly, and Payton is not a liability on either end of the court.
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Old 08-24-2013, 02:48 PM   #7
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If you really are starting a team from scratch then it's Gary Payton no doubt.


He simply impacts the game in so many more ways. Will already give your team a foundation on many ends before you select another player. He can be your primary scorer (led the Sonics in scoring 8/9 years from 95-03). And besides just for being a 'lead scorer', he scored in so many different ways almost guaranteeing fitting on any type of offense. He was one of the best post-up guards in history, he developed good shooting by his prime (led league in 3s one year), and he was known as the 'lay-up King' because of his ability to drive in and finish.

He can be a leading playmaker on your (was the leading playmaker on one of the top offenses in the 90s), and he can also be a defensive anchor for your team while providing all of that (In his peak, when he won DPOY, the Sonics were #2 in the league in defense behind just Jordan-Pippen-Rodman 72 win Bulls).


Choose Payton, and you have a player who can do so much more for your team than Steve Nash. Your team has a strong foundation on all ends. With Nash, you will have to now selectively choose players (covering his weaknesses). With Payton, it doesn't matter who you select next.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:01 PM   #8
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Though Nash is one of my fav players I think GP is better to start a team with. GP held Jordan to 42% in those finals. GP simply can do it all from the pg spot. If GP had a serious all-star like a Malone with him he would of been in the hunt for a chip every year.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:15 PM   #9
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This basically offense vs defense.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:17 PM   #10
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Nash = Most Skilled Passer Ever!

Nobody Even Comes Close.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:35 PM   #11
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My favorite player of all-time is Steve Nash, so it's pretty difficult for me to pick against him, but if I look at it from an unbiased perspective, I'd likely choose Gary Payton.

What I think, though, is that Nash has done more with less. What I mean is GP had another HOF caliber player with him (Shawn Kemp), while Nash only really had Amare Stoudemire, yet made it to the WCF and was one bad call away from an NBA Finals... And likely an NBA championship ring.

Gary Payton is a terrific defender. You can argue he's the GOAT perimeter defender, if you're willing to accept the verbal onslaught from Jordan fans; however, Nash's offensive game is among the elite players. Sure, Nash never scored 20+ PPG, but he easily could have. He was just that unselfish.


...

But alas, I really can't find a truly suitable argument for Nash > Payton. In the long run, Gary Payton is the guy who could dismantle a team's offense by himself.

This is a good question, though. I WANT to pick Nash, but my sensible side keeps suggesting Payton is the better overall option.


I still rank Nash's career over Gary Payton's, though. But that's an argument best suited for another day.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:02 AM   #12
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That's a hard one, they're basically equals IMO, Nash is clearly better offensively, but GP is clearly better all-around and defensively.

'00 Payton: 24/9/6.5/2 on 53.5 TS% - 23.6 PER

'07 Nash: 18.6/11.6/3.5 on 65 TS% - 23.8 PER

Their production is the exact same, I'm leaning towards Nash because he's better at running an offense, but it's really close. Both are top 5 PG's IMO.

Both >>> Kidd.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:19 AM   #13
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Nash is one of my favorite players, so I'd probably be a bit biased in picking him. But going in blind (not knowing what the rest of the team will be like) I'd say GP is the safer bet. From a business perspective Nash is far better choice than Payton.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:57 AM   #14
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It depends on what your team needs. If I have a weak offense I'm taking Nash. If I have a weak defense I'm taking Payton

A PG really isn't going to do anything for your defense. Its the least important position on the court defensively.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:11 AM   #15
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This basically offense vs defense.
Except Payton was great at offense too.
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