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Old 01-27-2012, 10:06 PM   #31
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I've never seen this much admiration for a player who's never cracked 20 ppg in their entire career. Gallo is having a good year. Yes. But he's getting 17 and 5. He's far from All NBA 1st team. Please get off his nuts. Denver is playing at it's peak. They can't add but so many players and they are a pretty good but not great team. End of the day, with all the "buyer's remorse" bullshit, they only one 1 more playoff game than we did. Teams win rings with superstars and a supporting cast. If you wanna go to the 2nd round and lose every year, then by all means...become a Denver fan. Are thing perfect here? No. But that doesn't mean it was all because of the Melo trade. Furthermore, when playoff time comes and the superstars are playing at their best, I'll take Carmelo Anthony against any other teams star and feel comfortable. Gallo....not so much. Melo has already hit tons of game winners in clutch situations. Gallo has already blown a layup and nearly cost his team the game against us. End of the day, you don't win rings with guys that are just pretty good. You have to look down the line. Teams are going to try and mimic Miami's model and get superstars. I for one dont want to be caught spectating while LeBitch is winning rings, all because I was too stubborn and didn't wanna give up guys that aren't franchise players.

When all those guys were here, we had a complete team and we were only 2 games above .500 We're not too far off that and we only have a shell of a team. Let's focus on the real issues here. Bench depth and our idiot coach.

I cant convince them.

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Old 01-27-2012, 10:19 PM   #32
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So has this trade been a total failure?? Gallo is playing like a stud, Mozguv is becoming a solid giant big, Felton, etc..

Worst is we could have signed Melo in the offseason!! Or even better trade for Dwight, Paul or Deron as we would have had the pieces..

When will the Knicks learn?

Lets debunk this thing finally.

1. Why would we sign Melo as a Free Agent to a Max contract if we had Gallo?

2. Melo would be in Brooklyn right now if we didnt make that move. Do you know who CP3 & Dwight are friends with? Melo. All we could do is sell any Free Agent on playing with Amare'. That only caught the attention of Raymond Felton, certainly not any other "star".

3. We had the pieces for a Dwight trade?
So Orlando would turn down Andrew Bynum & picks in favor of adding 2 more Small Forwards coming up on contract extensions?

We had the pieces for a Deron trade?
Utah, who had 3 SF's at the time, was going to call us up to get 2 more Small Forwards and an unproven 7'1 stiff for their Franchise player? They snatched up a high potential PF and 2 Lottery Pick 1st Rounders when they decided to move him.

We had the pieces for a CP3 trade?
You do realize we contacted New Orleans before Stern even took over the team when CP3 mentioned the teams he'd "want to play for" in the fall of 2010? They got a far better deal from the Clippers.


So where would we be right now?

PG - Felton
SG - Fields
SF - Gallo/Chandler
PF - Amare'(I'm adding the apostrophe at the end because hes playing like a gay cologne)
C - Mozgov

Looking kinda like a borderline .500 team again.

$18 Million in Cap Space for 2011.

We still signing Chandler to $14 Million?

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Old 01-27-2012, 11:41 PM   #33
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I've never seen this much admiration for a player who's never cracked 20 ppg in their entire career. Gallo is having a good year. Yes. But he's getting 17 and 5. He's far from All NBA 1st team. Please get off his nuts. Denver is playing at it's peak. They can't add but so many players and they are a pretty good but not great team. End of the day, with all the "buyer's remorse" bullshit, they only one 1 more playoff game than we did. Teams win rings with superstars and a supporting cast. If you wanna go to the 2nd round and lose every year, then by all means...become a Denver fan. Are thing perfect here? No. But that doesn't mean it was all because of the Melo trade. Furthermore, when playoff time comes and the superstars are playing at their best, I'll take Carmelo Anthony against any other teams star and feel comfortable. Gallo....not so much. Melo has already hit tons of game winners in clutch situations. Gallo has already blown a layup and nearly cost his team the game against us. End of the day, you don't win rings with guys that are just pretty good. You have to look down the line. Teams are going to try and mimic Miami's model and get superstars. I for one dont want to be caught spectating while LeBitch is winning rings, all because I was too stubborn and didn't wanna give up guys that aren't franchise players.

When all those guys were here, we had a complete team and we were only 2 games above .500 We're not too far off that and we only have a shell of a team. Let's focus on the real issues here. Bench depth and our idiot coach.

How many playoff games has Melo won in his career? For a "superstar" he sure doesn't come up in the playoffs. Fact Is he doesn't play defense and he becomes a black hole on offense. This is essentially Gallo's third year and he plays on a Denver team that shares the ball and shots. And with Melo we have had a horrible record, we didn't make the playoffs because of him(some believe we did) last year.

I'm not saying gallo is better then Melo which is false but we did get raped in that trade.. Melo forced his way as he was afraid of the new CBA.. He couldn't give two shits about the team as long as he gets his way. Wouldn't he have waited in the offseason so the Knicks can sign him and have some pieces? Possible trade players, some supporting players, etc.

All I know is we would be a much better squad right now
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You ppl can't be serious.Gallo woulda been a backup.The Nuggets really wanted Fields and we made them take Gallo instead.Gallo may still get traded again. This was a good trade.A really good trade.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:46 PM   #35
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Lets debunk this thing finally.

1. Why would we sign Melo as a Free Agent to a Max contract if we had Gallo?

2. Melo would be in Brooklyn right now if we didnt make that move. Do you know who CP3 & Dwight are friends with? Melo. All we could do is sell any Free Agent on playing with Amare'. That only caught the attention of Raymond Felton, certainly not any other "star".

3. We had the pieces for a Dwight trade?
So Orlando would turn down Andrew Bynum & picks in favor of adding 2 more Small Forwards coming up on contract extensions?

We had the pieces for a Deron trade?
Utah, who had 3 SF's at the time, was going to call us up to get 2 more Small Forwards and an unproven 7'1 stiff for their Franchise player? They snatched up a high potential PF and 2 Lottery Pick 1st Rounders when they decided to move him.

We had the pieces for a CP3 trade?
You do realize we contacted New Orleans before Stern even took over the team when CP3 mentioned the teams he'd "want to play for" in the fall of 2010? They got a far better deal from the Clippers.


So where would we be right now?

PG - Felton
SG - Fields
SF - Gallo/Chandler
PF - Amare'(I'm adding the apostrophe at the end because hes playing like a gay cologne)
C - Mozgov

Looking kinda like a borderline .500 team again.

$18 Million in Cap Space for 2011.

We still signing Chandler to $14 Million?

Wouldn't we have the cap to sign two superstars? Maybe sign chandler this offseason and deron next offseason.. Or we sign Melo in the offseason like any other team would have done but instead we are ran by idiots, the Isiah era isn't over. We could have traded Gallo or made him the 6th man, he would be a great 6th man.. Or we get Paul and trade Gallo, mozguv, Shumpert, etc..

But instead we are stuck with the two worst superstar combo you can have.
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Wouldn't we have the cap to sign two superstars? Maybe sign chandler this offseason and deron next offseason.. Or we sign Melo in the offseason like any other team would have done but instead we are ran by idiots, the Isiah era isn't over. We could have traded Gallo or made him the 6th man, he would be a great 6th man.. Or we get Paul and trade Gallo, mozguv, Shumpert, etc..

But instead we are stuck with the two worst superstar combo you can have.

Deron would have no interest in coming here just to play with Amar'e.
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i dont know about you, but i rather have gallo over fields on this team, atleast he can score

no doubt, being a knick means teams automatically undervalue all your players, atleast if we need to trade someone, we have carmelo and amare who are more attractive than gallo chandler mozgov
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Deron would have no interest in coming here just to play with Amar'e.

But he could play with Amare, Tyson chandler, Gallo, Fields, wil chandler, etc. we would be one player away and a player like deron would have a much bigger impact then Melo.


Either Amare or Melo has to be traded as they both can't coexist. Doesn't that tell you enough of the trade to bring Melo here? Oh boy we sure did get Denver good in that trade!
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i dont know about you, but i rather have gallo over fields on this team, atleast he can score

no doubt, being a knick means teams automatically undervalue all your players, atleast if we need to trade someone, we have carmelo and amare who are more attractive than gallo chandler mozgov

Fields is fine as is Chandler. I fine it amazing how these two players get bashed on the most but they are the players who always give a great effort. Especially Chandler he's the best player on our roster atm.. But Gallo is still much better then fields

I also find it funny that fields get bashed on while Shumpert gets praised. Shumpert is a horrible player..
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if anything, amare has been the worst player this year for us. the guy has no game unless a legit pg is there to spoon feed him. knicks better be calling the magic everyday i hope.
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Fields is fine as is Chandler. I fine it amazing how these two players get bashed on the most but they are the players who always give a great effort. Especially Chandler he's the best player on our roster atm.. But Gallo is still much better then fields

I also find it funny that fields get bashed on while Shumpert gets praised. Shumpert is a horrible player..
thats wilson chandler and shump gets praised because atleast he can drive it down once a game. no other knick can do that.
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Deron would have no interest in coming here just to play with Amar'e.
Utah said they were going to trade Deron to the loser of the Melo sweepstakes. No one knew this until after the fact.

Melo threatened to sign an extension with whomever traded for him had it been the Knicks or Nets.

PG - Felton
SG - Fields
SF - Gallo/Chandler
PF - Amare'(I'm adding the apostrophe at the end because hes playing like a gay cologne)
C - Mozgov

I had no problem with this team personally. The team was being built properly.

Had we called Melo's bluff and didnt get him Deron probably would have been here. If not the cap space would have been preserved for someone else.
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Wouldn't we have the cap to sign two superstars?

Maybe sign chandler this offseason and deron next offseason.. Or we sign Melo in the offseason like any other team would have done but instead we are ran by idiots, the Isiah era isn't over. We could have traded Gallo or made him the 6th man, he would be a great 6th man.. Or we get Paul and trade Gallo, mozguv, Shumpert, etc..

But instead we are stuck with the two worst superstar combo you can have.
Im so tired of this shit.

Let me put you up on something right now and I'm quoting this moving forward.

Welcome to Bizzaro World!

If we never made the Melo trade & stood pact heading into the 2011 offseason:

Amare - $18,217,705
Raymond Felton - $7,500,000
Ronny Turiaf - $4,360,000
Danilo Gallinari - $4,190,182
Wilson Chandler - $3,100,000
Anthony Randolph - $2,911,231
Timofey Mozgov - $2,566,800
Renaldo Balkman - $1,675,000
Toney Douglas - $1,145,640
Bill Walker - $916,100
Landry Fields - $788,872

We'd be sitting there with $11 Million in Cap Room in 2011.

Carmelo wasn't coming here as a Free Agent in 2011 for that. No matter where he was traded he had a Player Option that would've paid him $18.5 Million. He opted in and that is the salary he is playing for this season, with his $60 Million extension going into effect starting next season. He wanted an extension because he was unsure of the salaries for Max contracts in the new CBA.

If we hadn't made the Melo deal, he would be playing for the New Jersey Nets on his Player Option waiting to see who he could attract to Brooklyn or whether he needed to leave. Basically, the same situation as Deron is in right now.

That means another season of Amare as the #1 option with us filling the team with guys on 1 year deals to preserve cap space for the Summer of 2012 when hypothetically Melo, Dwight, CP3, & Deron can become Free Agents.

However, why would any of those 3 teams except the Nets(Melo) allow their Franchise player to become a Free Agent and they get nothing in return?

Lets just say Chris Paul still gets traded to the Clippers for Eric Gordon, Al Farouq Aminu, Chris Kaman's expirer and Minnesota's unprotected 1st Round Pick.

Now its Melo, Dwight, & Deron.

Lets just say Dwight Howard(& Hedo) gets traded by the Magic to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum & filler like what most people expect to go down at some point.

Now its Melo & Deron.

Brooklyn isn't conceding Melo to us via trade, but we have a trade package that Utah will be fine taking back in Felton, Gallo, Fields, & Randolph.

Knicks have acquired Deron mid-season.

Now our salaries for Summer of 2012:

Amare - $19,948,799
Deron Williams - $17,779,457
Timofey Mozgov - $2,794,621
Toney Douglas - $2,067,880
Iman Shumpert - $1,680,360
Renaldo Balkman - $1,675,000

Uh Oh! We're only $12 Million under the Cap.

Lets amnesty Renaldo Balkman.

$14 Million under the Cap

Lets trade Toney Douglas for a future 2nd round pick.

$16 Million under the Cap

Deron opts out for a longterm contract since he now knows the CBA rules unlike Melo a season before.

$34 Million under the Cap.

We're banking our entire future on Deron & Melo agreeing to join the Knicks with Melo having the chance to stay in Brooklyn and Deron having the chance to return to Dallas.

Do you want to be in that situation again?

I dont now, I didnt then, and I'm done. Goodnight.
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Utah said they were going to trade Deron to the loser of the Melo sweepstakes. No one knew this until after the fact.

Melo threatened to sign an extension with whomever traded for him had it been the Knicks or Nets.

PG - Felton
SG - Fields
SF - Gallo/Chandler
PF - Amare'(I'm adding the apostrophe at the end because hes playing like a gay cologne)
C - Mozgov

I had no problem with this team personally. The team was being built properly.

Had we called Melo's bluff and didnt get him Deron probably would have been here. If not the cap space would have been preserved for someone else.

That report was made by Sam Amico on his blog.

There hasn't been any confirmation from Kevin O'Connor or anyone related to their front office to say who & what Deron was offered for around the league.

As far as we know that deal happened so quickly nobody around the league knew what it was going down.

Why would the Jazz want our assets last year? If they made Deron and the 2 years remaining on his deal, available for trade, they could've got a better deal than a journeyman PG & 2 SF's like Denver did for Melo.
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Personally, I like the rotation of:

PG - Ray Felton
SG - Landry Fields
SF - Wilson Chandler
PF - Danilo Galinari
C - Amar'e Stoudemire
6 - Timofey Mozgov
7 - Toney Douglas
8 - Ronny Turiaf (I've decided to stop talking about how much I hate him because it seems like GOD is punishing me by bringing Turiaf closer and closer to me. He went from sucking it up for my Knicks to sucking it up for the Wizards, who I watch)

On the court, that team would perform FAR better than what we are seeing now. You would not have the spacing issues that come from having Tyson Chandler on your team. When the offense became stagnant you have an actual PG to give the team some direction.

No, that team wouldn't compete for a title. What it would do though is be a huge step in the right direction.
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