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Old 04-06-2012, 05:18 PM   #106
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Default Re: Why?? Why trade Gallo???

Knicks weren't planning on giving up Felton, since we had no other point guards. We only traded him because Denver wanted to dump Billups contract.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #107
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You guys know I like a good debate, but stay respectful guys.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #108
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Old 04-06-2012, 07:47 PM   #109
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Scooter, everyone knows im the last guy to call someone racists. Knickscity n the rest of the guys know I hate that shit. I think you misunderstood my point clearly. Furthermore, it seems like this convo is gettin way more heated than it needs to b. N this is coming from me...the guy who was dubbed the residential pit. I didnt even read the rst of ur reply but I think this has gone far enough. Im backing out of this one. Not that serious to me. Go Knicks!
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:31 PM   #110
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Scooter, everyone knows im the last guy to call someone racists. Knickscity n the rest of the guys know I hate that shit. I think you misunderstood my point clearly. Furthermore, it seems like this convo is gettin way more heated than it needs to b. N this is coming from me...the guy who was dubbed the residential pit. I didnt even read the rst of ur reply but I think this has gone far enough. Im backing out of this one. Not that serious to me. Go Knicks!
Of course you're backing out now, you crossed the line. It was the obvious inference. We're both speaking English; we share a commonality of language that includes more than just words - context, tone, intonation; they're all a part of the communication process, and come through even in type. You don't get to hide behind purposeful vagaries while implying I'm some kind of bigot. Apparently you're "the last guy to call someone racist" just like I'm the last guy to criticize Carmelo Anthony.



But it's okay, I'm used to the personal abuse. You guys are always slinging it when you don't like what I have to say.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:20 PM   #111
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Based on talent? Felton, Chandler, and Mozgov. Or Felton and Gallo. Or Chandler and a handful of lesser players and whatever draft picks. No one denies Melo's talent as a scorer, although he is overrated in that regard.
The basics of the Melo deal was Gallo, Chandler, & Mozgov.

That is definetly more than a fair deal for an All Star/All NBA SF.

The swap of Felton for Billups is basically a seperate deal, in which Felton never found anywhere near the success he was having in New York and Billups eventually got amnestied to bring in Chandler.

I loved the potential of Wilson Chandler & Gallo, but they both were due for the paydays that they eventually received and they served no purpose if we signed Melo in Free Agency. I much rather would've seen them play on the wing with LeBron hypothetically playing a hybrid PG in D'Antoni's system but that never came to fruition.



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Based on the situation? You play hardball, and, worst case scenario, you get Chris Paul or Deron Williams or you still have a playoff team and make some more moves next year.

The Knicks negotiated like chumps, and no one should be surprised.

Wait, Chris Paul or Deron wanted to sign longterm in New York to play with Amare Stoudemire? Highly doubt that. Could we have gotten a deal done with either team? I think so, but we wouldn't have gotten that extention. Melo's the real trail blazer by making New York an "ideal" destination so he could play with Amare, but he wanted the spotlight to himself anyways. The whole CP3 to NY scenarios were due to them trying to form a "Big 3" with Melo. Melo & CP3 are close and that was what they wanted to work, but I don't see any sort of reason Amare's presence would make either CP3 or Deron want to sign longterm in NY.

We had to make the deal.

If not, we'd be watching Melo in Brooklyn making it the prime destination for his buddies to link up with him.

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Old 04-06-2012, 10:52 PM   #112
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Eat my dick loser. j/k
O rly?

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Shouldn't that mean he would play worse? The argument was he couldn't play well for Mike D'antoni, when just last year we saw him do exactly that. You guys forget how close and competitive that series was, even with Stoudemire and Billups down. The idea that a Carmelo/D'antoni team couldn't have success is absurd.

Its not that he couldn't play well for D'Antoni its just the circumstances that came up this season. We were barely over .500 with Melo last season when we acquired him due to the lack of talent around our "Big 3". D'Antoni had to rely far more on Melo & Amare to carry his offense at that point and Melo was very successful in that role, as he is right now too. He was playing with something to prove on the biggest stage there is as our "savior". He had no choice but to listen to what D'Antoni wanted from him at that point in time because he made the choice to be in New York.

But when D'Antoni had the chance to run the offense he desired and saw success, it became evident that neither could co-exist longterm.


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First of all, Carmelo should be flattered to be mentioned in the same sentence as Larry Bird, he isn't half the player. So, basically, D'antoni wanted Carmelo to be the focal point of the offense, minus the freedom to iso on every single possession. Passing to your teammates, oh the horror. Complaining that Mike1 was making him do too much and then bitching about relegating him to a "spot-up shooter" and then gobbling up the crap from Mike2 about "getting the ball to your stars". You guys were saying that he's our best passer, but then complaining when D'antoni tried to make him more of a playmaker. When people say most Knicks fans are idiots, it can be hard to argue otherwise.


Hold on.

We didn't know the extent of Melo's injuries and how they would negatively affect every part of his game for most of this season. Although the role of being more of a facilitator was new to Melo, he took to it very well before the injuries started up. Yes, D'Antoni had an injured guy doing "way too much" because we had nobody else to go to pre-Jeremy Lin and as a result we started to struggle. Melo


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I never cared about his scoring, except that he was forcing the issue when he clearly wasn't capable. Like you said, he even struggled early under Woodson, but the change in his demeanor and energy was obvious. Defense is 90% effort, and on on the court it filters down from the stars.
Agreed.

Thats the one part about Carmelo that we all wish was consistent, espscially from a #1 option and designated Franchise player.


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I disagree, and think it's plainly evident from watching him all season. But, honestly, would it really matter to you if he came out and admitted to it, unambiguously? I doubt it.
Actually it would matter a lot to me if he admitted he purposely played poorly and gave little effort so that the Knicks could lose and D'Antoni would be fired.

I'd lose all respect for any player who did that.

Melo's not a strong personality and neither is D'Antoni to an extent. Melo went along with everything that D'Antoni asked for because thats the type of player he is. Did he agree with it? Of course not. The whole Point Forward experiment it later came out that Melo was against and campaigned for Lin to play PG.

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Goes back to what I've been saying for a long time. The Knicks problems start at the top. In Dolan we trust.
And soon comes Isiah.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:58 PM   #113
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Default Re: Why?? Why trade Gallo???

It's much better to have an owner like Dolan who is willing to spend whatever it takes, than to have an owner like Sarver or Kroenke who are just looking at the bottom line. If we had MLB free market rules with no cap, we would have a championship every other year. Unfortunately the NBA has an archaic socialist system that rewards teams that get lucky from ping pong balls rather than teams that can actually produce real $$$.
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Dude, white text. I'll respond to the rest moire soberly. Adieu.
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I saw the White text.

My post was sarcasm.



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It's much better to have an owner like Dolan who is willing to spend whatever it takes, than to have an owner like Sarver or Kroenke who are just looking at the bottom line. If we had MLB free market rules with no cap, we would have a championship every other year. Unfortunately the NBA has an archaic socialist system that rewards teams that get lucky from ping pong balls rather than teams that can actually produce real $$$.
I agree. I definietly think that, despite being a cokehead egoist retard, given his druthers, Dolan would like to form the Knicks into something liekt eh Yankees of the NBA. Which would be awesome.
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I saw the White text.

My post was sarcasm.



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At least Carmelo wasn't mocking his teammates publicly like D'Antoni did to his players.

Does anyone remember when he said that Douglas is the only player who knows his role (meaning "end of the bench") ?
It was funny but also it was a totally lame move for someone calling himself a coach.
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Of course you're backing out now, you crossed the line. It was the obvious inference. We're both speaking English; we share a commonality of language that includes more than just words - context, tone, intonation; they're all a part of the communication process, and come through even in type. You don't get to hide behind purposeful vagaries while implying I'm some kind of bigot. Apparently you're "the last guy to call someone racist" just like I'm the last guy to criticize Carmelo Anthony.



But it's okay, I'm used to the personal abuse. You guys are always slinging it when you don't like what I have to say.

When I mentioned Marbury being labeled a black thug, it had NOTHING to do with anything you said. I wasn't accusing you at all of calling him that. So I really dont get why you're so pissed off. I was referring to Marbury's reputation in general. Like I said tho, Im sorry YOU misunderstood my point. I do not consider you a racist and I apologize if you felt I was calling you one. Furthermore, I have no reason to back track what I said. End of the day, I dont get paid to post here. Not that serious dude. Nobody is out to get you.
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When I mentioned Marbury being labeled a black thug, it had NOTHING to do with anything you said. I wasn't accusing you at all of calling him that. So I really dont get why you're so pissed off. I was referring to Marbury's reputation in general. Like I said tho, Im sorry YOU misunderstood my point. I do not consider you a racist and I apologize if you felt I was calling you one. Furthermore, I have no reason to back track what I said. End of the day, I dont get paid to post here. Not that serious dude. Nobody is out to get you.
I didn't pick up any racial tone either.

Scoooter called me a big black guy when he saw my pic, and I didn't find it racial at all (of course it's true).

The thing with the Melo trade, and why race constantly keeps coming up is mainly because of Gallo's race, nothing to do with Melo.

I just think we as fans need to not attach ourselves to the players so much.

It helps out tremendously.

Although I will continue to defend Jeffries.

And our bench.
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