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Old 03-08-2011, 06:00 PM   #1
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Default Constructing the G.O.A.T. team

Basically, what combination of players from any and all era's of basketball would combine to make the absolute best team possible.
Here is what I came up with

C: Bill Russell
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Lebron James
SG: Michael Jordan
PG: Gary Payton

Bench: Hakeem, Wilt, Rodman?, Pippen?, Bird?, Garnett, Kobe?, Magic

Basically the central idea behind this team is to abuse the fact that defense stacks better than offensive. Sure there have been better scoring centers, better scoring PF's, better scoring/passing PG, but with offensive, unlike defense, there is definitely a sense of diminishing returns. It's for this reason that I chose Russell over guys like Wilt/Kareem and it's for this reason that I see Russell as the perfect player to build one of these teams around. Going with Wilt/Kareem imo really doesn't boost your offense all that much(the extra ppg Wilt/Kareem score over Russell will be all but countered by the drop in Jordan/James ppg) and you'll certainly be losing something defensively. I'm really not sure whether it's better to have Wilt or Hakeem coming off the bench. Hakeem is better defensively and fits within they system better, but Wilt is without a doubt the better offensive player(though Hakeem is no slouch).

Tim Duncan starting at PF with Garnett coming off then bench seems like an obvious choice. Malone/Barkley are better offensively, but lack defensively.

Lebron at SF was a really, really hard decision. I was really torn between him and Larry Bird, but what ultimately gave Lebron the edge was his extra defense(especially lately). Otherwise, I think these two are extremely close(prime for prime), Lebron being the slightly better scorer/playmaker, and Larry being the better passer/rebounder. I have Pippen coming off the bench over guys who are obviously better SF because of the overall defensive theme of this team, and quite frankly Pippen is the best defensive SF there's ever been.

Jordan at SG was an easy choice. At the very beginning I toyed with the thought of building around an offensive center(Wilt/Kareem/Shaq), and putting a defensive specialist at the SG spot, but honestly Jordan might very well be the best SG defender. In that sense, Jordan is a big reason for me building around a defensively specialized center as opposed to a more all around center like Wilt or Kareem. I have Kobe coming off the bench simply because I'm not really sure who else to put there. I entertained the thought of maybe Wade coming off the bench for his superior rebounding/playmaking, but Kobe's off the ball play/scoring is more important to this team imo(plus I do think prime Kobe has a slight edge over prime Wade defensively).

Payton at PG was tough but necessary IMO. Yes I know he is nowhere close to Magic as a PG, but I do think he is a better fit for this team. Magic with Lebron would clash even harder than Wade with Lebron, and even Magic with Bird is somewhat redundant. I think it's best to just let Lebron play his ball dominant style(that's when he's at his best) and run the GOAT PG defender at the point. Lebron/Payton on the starting lineup, with Magic/Pippen coming off the bench works better IMO.

Another viable option, and one I gave a lot of thought to was running Magic at the point and Pippen at the SF, basically the reverse of the what I mentioned above.


Before anyone says something about Lebron/Wade and what that indicates about Lebron/Jordan, let me just say that despite Jordan/Wade being very similar style wise, they are completely different players in terms of how they fit with this team. Unlike Wade, Jordan is just as good off the ball as he is on the ball. Jordan would thrive off of Lebron's play style/ability to draw in a defense and make plays, whereas Wade is somewhat hindered by it because he's not a great off the ball player.

So there you have it...

I'm extremely open to criticism/suggestions as long as they are well thought out and explained.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:05 PM   #2
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wo, u shore right alot bud!



C - Amare
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:17 PM   #3
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Payton at PG was tough but necessary IMO. Yes I know he is nowhere close to Magic as a PG, but I do think he is a better fit for this team. Magic with Lebron would clash even harder than Wade with Lebron, and even Magic with Bird is somewhat redundant. I think it's best to just let Lebron play his ball dominant style(that's when he's at his best) and run the GOAT PG defender at the point. Lebron/Payton on the starting lineup, with Magic/Pippen coming off the bench works better IMO.
Gary Payton was pretty ball dominant too. I think if I was building a GOAT team I'd build it around a pick and roll duo, because if you've got that play down with some shooters you've already got a beastly offense, and you'd really only have to worry about a closer and defensive pieces.
I'll make a team later, and it'll be completely weird and probably make no sense.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:18 PM   #4
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:19 PM   #5
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Default Re: Constructing the G.O.A.T. team

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Originally Posted by Poochymama
Basically, what combination of players from any and all era's of basketball would combine to make the absolute best team possible.
Here is what I came up with

C: Bill Russell
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Lebron James
SG: Michael Jordan
PG: Gary Payton

Bench: Hakeem, Wilt, Rodman?, Pippen?, Bird?, Garnett, Kobe?, Magic

Basically the central idea behind this team is to abuse the fact that defense stacks better than offensive. Sure there have been better scoring centers, better scoring PF's, better scoring/passing PG, but with offensive, unlike defense, there is definitely a sense of diminishing returns. It's for this reason that I chose Russell over guys like Wilt/Kareem and it's for this reason that I see Russell as the perfect player to build one of these teams around. Going with Wilt/Kareem imo really doesn't boost your offense all that much(the extra ppg Wilt/Kareem score over Russell will be all but countered by the drop in Jordan/James ppg) and you'll certainly be losing something defensively. I'm really not sure whether it's better to have Wilt or Hakeem coming off the bench. Hakeem is better defensively and fits within they system better, but Wilt is without a doubt the better offensive player(though Hakeem is no slouch).

Tim Duncan starting at PF with Garnett coming off then bench seems like an obvious choice. Malone/Barkley are better offensively, but lack defensively.

Lebron at SF was a really, really hard decision. I was really torn between him and Larry Bird, but what ultimately gave Lebron the edge was his extra defense(especially lately). Otherwise, I think these two are extremely close(prime for prime), Lebron being the slightly better scorer/playmaker, and Larry being the better passer/rebounder. I have Pippen coming off the bench over guys who are obviously better SF because of the overall defensive theme of this team, and quite frankly Pippen is the best defensive SF there's ever been.

Jordan at SG was an easy choice. At the very beginning I toyed with the thought of building around an offensive center(Wilt/Kareem/Shaq), and putting a defensive specialist at the SG spot, but honestly Jordan might very well be the best SG defender. In that sense, Jordan is a big reason for me building around a defensively specialized center as opposed to a more all around center like Wilt or Kareem. I have Kobe coming off the bench simply because I'm not really sure who else to put there. I entertained the thought of maybe Wade coming off the bench for his superior rebounding/playmaking, but Kobe's off the ball play/scoring is more important to this team imo(plus I do think prime Kobe has a slight edge over prime Wade defensively).

Payton at PG was tough but necessary IMO. Yes I know he is nowhere close to Magic as a PG, but I do think he is a better fit for this team. Magic with Lebron would clash even harder than Wade with Lebron, and even Magic with Bird is somewhat redundant. I think it's best to just let Lebron play his ball dominant style(that's when he's at his best) and run the GOAT PG defender at the point. Lebron/Payton on the starting lineup, with Magic/Pippen coming off the bench works better IMO.

Another viable option, and one I gave a lot of thought to was running Magic at the point and Pippen at the SF, basically the reverse of the what I mentioned above.


Before anyone says something about Lebron/Wade and what that indicates about Lebron/Jordan, let me just say that despite Jordan/Wade being very similar style wise, they are completely different players in terms of how they fit with this team. Unlike Wade, Jordan is just as good off the ball as he is on the ball. Jordan would thrive off of Lebron's play style/ability to draw in a defense and make plays, whereas Wade is somewhat hindered by it because he's not a great off the ball player.

So there you have it...

I'm extremely open to criticism/suggestions as long as they are well thought out and explained.

lol larry was never a better passer then lebron
larry could do shit but shoot better then lebron
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:20 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Poochymama
Basically, what combination of players from any and all era's of basketball would combine to make the absolute best team possible.
Here is what I came up with

C: Bill Russell
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Lebron James
SG: Michael Jordan
PG: Gary Payton

Bench: Hakeem, Wilt, Rodman?, Pippen?, Bird?, Garnett, Kobe?, Magic

Limiting myself to players I've seen play, I would:

C: Shaq
PF: Rodman
SF: Bird
SG: Jordan
PG: Stockton

And PJ's triangle to max out Bird, Shaq, and Jordan as center of the offense.

I think Stockton is better fit than Payton because he is a better shooter and is better off the ball. So he will be like super Steve Kerr. Rodman has to be there next to Shaq to defend the pick and roll and get rebounds.
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lebron is useless without spot up shooters.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:23 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Poochymama
Basically, what combination of players from any and all era's of basketball would combine to make the absolute best team possible.
Here is what I came up with

C: Bill Russell
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Lebron James
SG: Michael Jordan
PG: Gary Payton

Bench: Hakeem, Wilt, Rodman?, Pippen?, Bird?, Garnett, Kobe?, Magic

Basically the central idea behind this team is to abuse the fact that defense stacks better than offensive. Sure there have been better scoring centers, better scoring PF's, better scoring/passing PG, but with offensive, unlike defense, there is definitely a sense of diminishing returns. It's for this reason that I chose Russell over guys like Wilt/Kareem and it's for this reason that I see Russell as the perfect player to build one of these teams around. Going with Wilt/Kareem imo really doesn't boost your offense all that much(the extra ppg Wilt/Kareem score over Russell will be all but countered by the drop in Jordan/James ppg) and you'll certainly be losing something defensively. I'm really not sure whether it's better to have Wilt or Hakeem coming off the bench. Hakeem is better defensively and fits within they system better, but Wilt is without a doubt the better offensive player(though Hakeem is no slouch).

Tim Duncan starting at PF with Garnett coming off then bench seems like an obvious choice. Malone/Barkley are better offensively, but lack defensively.

Lebron at SF was a really, really hard decision. I was really torn between him and Larry Bird, but what ultimately gave Lebron the edge was his extra defense(especially lately). Otherwise, I think these two are extremely close(prime for prime), Lebron being the slightly better scorer/playmaker, and Larry being the better passer/rebounder. I have Pippen coming off the bench over guys who are obviously better SF because of the overall defensive theme of this team, and quite frankly Pippen is the best defensive SF there's ever been.

Jordan at SG was an easy choice. At the very beginning I toyed with the thought of building around an offensive center(Wilt/Kareem/Shaq), and putting a defensive specialist at the SG spot, but honestly Jordan might very well be the best SG defender. In that sense, Jordan is a big reason for me building around a defensively specialized center as opposed to a more all around center like Wilt or Kareem. I have Kobe coming off the bench simply because I'm not really sure who else to put there. I entertained the thought of maybe Wade coming off the bench for his superior rebounding/playmaking, but Kobe's off the ball play/scoring is more important to this team imo(plus I do think prime Kobe has a slight edge over prime Wade defensively).

Payton at PG was tough but necessary IMO. Yes I know he is nowhere close to Magic as a PG, but I do think he is a better fit for this team. Magic with Lebron would clash even harder than Wade with Lebron, and even Magic with Bird is somewhat redundant. I think it's best to just let Lebron play his ball dominant style(that's when he's at his best) and run the GOAT PG defender at the point. Lebron/Payton on the starting lineup, with Magic/Pippen coming off the bench works better IMO.

Another viable option, and one I gave a lot of thought to was running Magic at the point and Pippen at the SF, basically the reverse of the what I mentioned above.


Before anyone says something about Lebron/Wade and what that indicates about Lebron/Jordan, let me just say that despite Jordan/Wade being very similar style wise, they are completely different players in terms of how they fit with this team. Unlike Wade, Jordan is just as good off the ball as he is on the ball. Jordan would thrive off of Lebron's play style/ability to draw in a defense and make plays, whereas Wade is somewhat hindered by it because he's not a great off the ball player.

So there you have it...

I'm extremely open to criticism/suggestions as long as they are well thought out and explained.
Have you seen Lebron play? It would never work in this team, not because he's bad but because of the way he plays. He needs to have the ball to be effective. I think Pippen or Bird would work better because they can play without the ball, plus MJ+Lebron will clash more than Magic in this team.
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good post but i would start hakeem, and replace lebron with a better three point shooter. none of those perimeter players are great 3pt shooters. id have somebody like bruce bowen, a versatile defender who can space the floor.(there is probably an upgrade of the bowen type player, but i cant think of any)
you have plenty of scoring and passing with duncan payton and jordan, so having a guy with little playmaking ability wouldn't be a concern
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Stockton Great offensive player, great passer and steals leader
Jordan Best wing player ever, Great defender
Melo Great at getting to the rim at will, has many ways to score
Rodman He can defend the pick and roll great, great help defender and can shut down any man at the four.
Shaq Just pure domination. Get him the ball and just wait for him get triple teamed or slam it.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:36 PM   #12
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lebron is useless without spot up shooters.

so is jordan then? get the beep outta here waldusch
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:38 PM   #13
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Probably the current Boston Celts with a few adjustments.

Put John Stockton at the point and make the stars a few years younger.

Stockton
Ray Allen
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Probably the best team that will complement each other.
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Here's my weird team
PG-Nash
I choose Nash to start the pick and roll. Stockton is a better player, but Nash is a better shooter, which is probably better in a stacked team, and he's better in the pick and roll by a little bit because he's more willing to take on outside shot off of it.
SG-Jordan, for a closer
SF-Tough one. I thought of Rodman, just because you can't deny his defensive usefulness and how impactful 18 rebounds is, but I think Dale Ellis is a particularly perfect fit. Great scorer, and great shooter, also really efficient.
PF-Karl Malone, just because nobody is better in the pick and roll. Plus he's smart and good defender.
C-Sabonis. Weird pick, I know, but he's a good shooter, and a good shooting center can be very useful in an offense, especially a pick and roll based offense. Plus a really good post player, and rebounder. Not quite as good of a shot blocker as other great centers, but probably more useful offensively in this sort of situation.
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Rodman, Mutumbo, Magic
Really though best team would be
Isiah/Oscar
Jordan/Kobe
Magic/Bird
KG/Duncan
Russell/Wilt
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Assuming each player is in his prime...

C:Kareem- Dominant inside scoring and arguably the most unstoppable shot in the history of the game.

PF: Russell- I know that he played center, but he could easily be a pf. He provides impact without having to touch the ball. With him guarding the other team's best post player, Kareem would be free to score without having to worry about defense.

SF: Pippen- Elite perimeter defense. Like Russell, he can impact a game without having to dominate the ball. Also his versatility would be a major plus

SG: Ray Allen- The one weakness this team has so far is outside shooting. That is now solved with him on the team. He opens the floor and can get open shots for himself without having to dribble the ball.

PG: Magic Johnson- Extremely willing passer (obviously) and will find open shots for anyone. With Pippen, Russell, and Kareem he wouldn't have to worry about defense. With Russell feuling the fast break and giving outlets to Magic this team would probably be the highest scoring team in league history.
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