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Old 03-13-2011, 07:28 PM   #1
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Default Why Knicks lose games

Too many 3 pointers. It's near the end of the Knick-Pacers game now and the Knicks shot 7 of 29 from beyond the arc. This is not only absurd but disgusting and goes against real basketball.

2nd reason why the Knicks lose games is no defense. Allowing so many guards to be open for 3 pointers. Another reason is Amare plays very weak defense. I'm sorry I love the guy but he plays weak defense and allows small guards to waltz right up for a layup.

3rd reason is allowing Melo so many opportunities with shooting when he's having an off night. This is damaging because pringles will just leave him in there. He committed his 5th foul and now there is no defense attempted.


The Knicks post season need a new coach and need to invest in a big man. There is no way in hell a team should be shooting so many 3-pointers to begin with. This is how games are lost not won.
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Old 03-13-2011, 08:20 PM   #2
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You have some good points in here

I'm gonna comment on each point......

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Too many 3 pointers. It's near the end of the Knick-Pacers game now and the Knicks shot 7 of 29 from beyond the arc. This is not only absurd but disgusting and goes against real basketball.
The offense is 3pt reliant, always has been.

Usually our three point attempts are within a rhythm.

11 assists really was the killer on offense, purely one-on-one.

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2nd reason why the Knicks lose games is no defense. Allowing so many guards to be open for 3 pointers. Another reason is Amare plays very weak defense. I'm sorry I love the guy but he plays weak defense and allows small guards to waltz right up for a layup.
Fully agree, but we both know as well as everyone defense is not gonna be solid from this team.

It is not emphasized.

if it was players would be called out and bench for a few, to reflect on what they didn't do.

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3rd reason is allowing Melo so many opportunities with shooting when he's having an off night. This is damaging because pringles will just leave him in there. He committed his 5th foul and now there is no defense attempted.

Melo actually had a couple of offensive fouls, he was in full "Bully-ball" tonite.

Problem was the player who he was being guarded by has played with him for years.

Jones knows his every move, thus the offensive fouls.


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The Knicks post season need a new coach and need to invest in a big man. There is no way in hell a team should be shooting so many 3-pointers to begin with. This is how games are lost not won.

I really just have to disagree with the threes.

The three ball within ball movement, is a very good shot for this team.

Shawne and Walker hit their tonite within ball movement.

Now watch Toney get an offensive rebound, only to run to the three point line to heave up a three is just an awful shot even if it goes in.

Bottom line......

This team will never be a great defensive team, and they won't have to be to win a game.

Get some stops.

Stay with your man, no matter what.

I'd rather them never double, than to leave the opponent uncontested, having enough time to take a smoke then shoot the ball.

Let your offense be your best defense, move the ball.

The coach isn't going anywhere before next season mid way through at the earliest.

This team does not keep their play up to par.

They play way too much to their competition, which is crazy why I think they will have a decent playoff run.

They will beat whomever they play in the 1st round, just on talent alone.

But the team needs a big to protect the paint and clean the glass for boards.

That can help improve the team by 10 of these bad losses alone.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:37 AM   #3
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Default Re: Why Knicks lose games

It is a lot more complicated than that: http://googoo.gl/hjQ3u

Knicks Problems Since the trade:

Exploding roster so late in season, leaves little time to develop chemistry

Players are not yet comfortable with each other and the system

Billups plays a slow-down game rather than D’Antoni’s up-tempo system

Players try to adjust to new point guard’s system rather than fit into the old one

Chemistry problems at both ends causes confusion & lack of direction

Carmelo & Amar'e are 1-on-1 players who impede ball movement

1-on-1 play at crunch time makes it easy to get double-team stops Vs Knicks

. Plays down to the level of the competition & usually loses to weak teams

Prone to slow starts that give even weak teams confidence and big leads

Team often lacks effort & desperately fights back to try to make up big leads

Poor individual & team defense on pick & rolls, dribble penetration & post ups

Lack of height & insufficient attention to rebounding

Weak bench lacks punch due to trading away so many good players

Poor defensive coaching & leadership will make the transition-time even longer

For complete details please read "Did Knicks Trade for a Headache?" http://googoo.gl/hjQ3u at my We Love The Knicks blog.

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Old 03-25-2011, 01:36 PM   #4
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The biggest problem with our offense all season has been the point guards. Not having a center hurt us (Amar'e getting killed), and we get terribly bogged down when we don't move the ball (true of all teams), but not having competent point guards (and I like Ray for the most part) really kills the offense.

The offense is three point reliant because the guards can't create anything else. It's all about the pick and roll. That's supposed to be our bread and butter, but neither Raymond nor Chauncey nor Douglas can run it well. Amar'e's been working too hard all season long. Well, actually, Felton had a stretch were he was hitting it fairly consistently, and it all looked great. But alas, the guys we have now are even worse. They get that position sorted out and they'll be back on track.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:00 PM   #5
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This team has no heart and gives no effort..

Our superstars Amare and Melo are selfish players who only care about dropping 30+ points(especially Amare). Amare is practically another swingman.

We don't have those crucial role players that are glue guys. the guys who play defense, hustles for the ball, doesn't care about scoring, etc. Douglas is kinda of that guy but on offense he takes awful shots and starting to become selfish. Turriaf is that guy but coach doesn't play him since he can't hit a 3, go figure. We have Shawne Williams guarding Dwight Howard in the post Gallo was that type of player who busted his balls and didn't demand the ball. You guys may have criticized him for being inconsistent and white but he brought effort constantly which is something this team lacks.

There a bunch of paid mercenaries. Hopefully this offseason we can find ourselves players like Reddick, 2008 Posey, even Larry Sanders.

Just get a bunch of defensive minded players please.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:55 PM   #6
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There a bunch of paid mercenaries. Hopefully this offseason we can find ourselves players like Reddick, 2008 Posey, even Larry Sanders.
Okay. That's an interesting assembly of names you've got there.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:03 PM   #7
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This team has no heart and gives no effort..

You probably could have stopped typing right here.

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Our superstars Amare and Melo are selfish players who only care about dropping 30+ points(especially Amare). Amare is practically another swingman.

Nobody complained about Amar'e having those 30 point games early in the season, when he gave us a false MVP showing. Had he not scored those points we probably would not have won a single one of those games during that 13 of 15 win streak.

This may be the first game in the at least the last 5 where Melo has even taken over 20 shots.

He isn't looking to score, he is deferring to Amar'e, and that shit is making me sick.

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We don't have those crucial role players that are glue guys. the guys who play defense, hustles for the ball, doesn't care about scoring, etc.

Because those players are not "D'antoni guys, he doesn't care about defense and doesn't care to have defensive minded players, because most of them can't shoot.

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Douglas is kinda of that guy but on offense he takes awful shots and starting to become selfish. Turriaf is that guy but coach doesn't play him since he can't hit a 3, go figure. We have Shawne Williams guarding Dwight Howard in the post

Douglas is the only player who actually hustles on every play, and ironically he is the one constantly getting blasted by D'antoni.

Turiaf can't play more than 20 or minutes because of his health.

Shawne isn't strong enough to defend in the post, but he is the only player in the rotation who won't give up on the play.

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Gallo was that type of player who busted his balls and didn't demand the ball. You guys may have criticized him for being inconsistent and white but he brought effort constantly which is something this team lacks.

Gallo was a decent player, I don't anyone would say otherwise.

But he was inconsistent, especially considering the coach actually called him the best shooter he has ever seen.

Inconsistency never got bench time for Gallo, and he pretty much always stayed in the starting line0up no matter what he did in previous games.

I personally resent the fact you think people hate him because he was white.

I don't think anyone made that reference except people hell bent on defending his mediocrity.

He catches flack from me primarily because he is inconsistent in the thing he does best...... shooting, in an offense that has a coach who demands good shooting.

Secondly though not his fault, is I wanted Jennings, for one reason only......D'antoni's system requires a point guard, and even the coach was so stupid that he blindsided himself to get his team mates son.

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There a bunch of paid mercenaries. Hopefully this offseason we can find ourselves players like Reddick, 2008 Posey, even Larry Sanders.

Reddick?????

Larry Sanders barely gets burn on the team he is on.

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Just get a bunch of defensive minded players please.

How about the one item you conveniently didn't blame.....

The Coach.

Not surprised he wasn't mentioned at all.
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Old 03-26-2011, 01:17 AM   #8
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Gallo was that type of player who busted his balls and didn't demand the ball. You guys may have criticized him for being inconsistent and white but he brought effort constantly which is something this team lacks.

Hilarious lmao


I'm dying to know who "criticized (Gallo) for being white" lmao
I love how when ppl leave they become legends.Gallo was just as bad as the rest of our guys on D.He gave effort sometimes but he was a poor defender. My how we get amnesia.lol

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We don't have those crucial role players that are glue guys. the guys who play defense, hustles for the ball, doesn't care about scoring, etc.

Well thats because of the trade.It was to be expected that our roster would take a hit to get Melo.I think ppl keep forgetting this move was done for the future.Not for right now.That being said,I agree 100%,we need defensive minded guys who take pride in stopping the opponent.Its hard to see ppl rip our two best players when the role players arent even defending.@ least those guys are scoring.Whats our role players excuse?However,we can do whatever we want roster wise but it HAS to start with the coach.
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Al Harrington didn't like Gallo at all.
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Al Harrington didn't like Gallo at all.
Not really.

He didnt like D'antoni treating Gallo better than the other players.
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