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Old 05-18-2011, 09:47 PM   #61
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It's very true though. Next year will be a very very good draft. This year is exceptionally weak. We'll look back a few years from now and see that easily. There's really only a couple guys who might be real impact players and that's why everyone is talking about them at the top two. No way I give up next years pick. I do think they would want one of our young players with potential in return. Maybe someone like Austin Daye. I'd be fine with that for the 2nd pick because we could draft a guy like Williams who basically plays the same positions. I'd also like Williams just to say what position he's most comfortable at. If he's most comfortable at SF I think he has a chance to be really great in this league. Kind of like a Paul Pierce type. If he's more of a PF I'd be a bit scared of him.

Its most certainly not true one way or the other at this point. I've heard 3 drafts in like 5 years called the weakest draft of all time and then at the end of the year when all the rookies tear it up, everyone all of a sudden is like, wow, we missed that! This may be the case this year, it may not be. The highly touted freshmen stars may or may not leave school next year. Shoot Barnes and Sullinger may not even leave next year for certain. They both want a title badly for their respective school. Some of the guys may bust, get injured or lower their stock with poor play or a weakness in their game that is exposed. This is all I'm saying.

Even if it is a stronger draft, this rebuilding process has gone on long enough. Its time to start acquiring NBA ready talent as much as possible. We have to develop young talent of course too, but I'm not going to be upset about trading away a middling 1st round pick next year if it means getting an elite talent. If you go get a guy like Kanter with a #2 overall pick, you aren't going to look back and overexamine the cost if he works out. You either decide he's worth the 2 pick and pay the price it costs to acquire it or you say he's not and don't. ::shrug::
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:52 PM   #62
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I can't say I disagree, but I'm more about just getting the best available player. We need a lot of help and I don't see much of anyone making an immediate impact at where we're picking. Also having JJ would have made those stats much better. Defensively I think he's fine. I think offensively is where his game needs to grow. I think we've had the conversation before and we both agree he's not a guy who will be a starting PF on a championship caliber club. I just don't necessarily see someone at the 8 spot who will be much better than him. Sheed was one of the best PF's in the game when we first got him and there really isn't any kind of talent like that in this draft. A 7 footer with his kind of range and a back to the basket game is pretty rare. I remember his days in Portland and he was basically unguardable. It's too bad he didn't appreciate the game more. He really could have been one of the all time greats.

I don't want us to find a Sheed to replace Jerebko with. I want a Dyess to pair with him I guess. A better Dyess ideally. Jerebko is fine, but pairing him with Markieff Morris would make me feel a lot better about our PF position. Or Thompson,Faried,Biyombo etc. I think there are a lot more veteran options we can find at the perimeter spots too, whether trade,FA or what is already on the roster. OTOH, if there is value, I'll take best player available. I'm not willing to take someone like Burks,Knight,Walker or Leonard over the available bigs though
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:33 PM   #63
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One good thing came from getting the number 8 pick.... the Pistons are offering a season package where the individual game price is 8 dollars per ticket. That's a cheap season ticket package! I'd be all over that if I could.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:13 PM   #64
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Several prospects have said they have or will meet with the Pistons the next few days. Among the guards are Kemba Walker (Connecticut), Alec Burks (Colorado), Brandon Knight (Kentucky), Shelvin Mack (Butler), Jimmer Fredette (BYU), Josh Selby (Kansas) and Klay Thompson (Washington State). Detroit News

And among the forwards are Kawhi Leonard (San Diego State), JaJuan Johnson (Purdue), Jimmy Butler (Marquette) and Kenneth Faried (Morehead State). Texas forward Tristan Thompson said he expects to set up a workout with the Pistons soon. Detroit News

Kansas forward Markieff Morris will meet with the Pistons, but his twin, Marcus , won't at least not yet. "I like the Pistons," Marcus Morris said. "I like their staff, I think I can bring some toughness to their team. I really enjoy watching them play (over the years). I think I'd fit in well." Detroit News

Just guessing from the wide range of people interviewed by Detroit, they must be thinking about potentially moving down in the draft. I do like how they met with Jujuan Johnson. If he drops to us in the 2nd round that could be a steal. I think he's a touch under rated.
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Old 05-20-2011, 03:33 PM   #65
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#8 and the 2nd of our 2 2nd rounders for 14 and 23? You could get 3 interesting players at 14,23 and 33.
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Old 05-20-2011, 11:22 PM   #66
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#8 and the 2nd of our 2 2nd rounders for 14 and 23? You could get 3 interesting players at 14,23 and 33.

I'd strongly consider it. The only problem I see with two first rounders is they are both guaranteed contracts. That money could be spent elsewhere. Is Houston looking to move up?
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Old 05-21-2011, 01:58 PM   #67
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No doubt if he fell to 8 they'd draft him. There's just too many teams who need a PG in front of Detroit. I don't see him falling that far. After all when was the last time Calipari had a top ranked PG go to the draft that ended up being a bust? Knight could end up being the best PG in this draft.
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Old 05-21-2011, 09:41 PM   #68
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knight just has no playmaking or ball handling skills, he seemingly compounds our problems rather than solving them. Good defender, potentially at least.

I think I'm Biyombo or bust at this point. He's just pure excellence as a defender. He's like a Javale Mcgee with basketball IQ. Its rare to see that package of instincts/IQ and top level athleticism. Longest wingspan in the draft supposedly at least and scouting reports gush over his leadership abilities. Those are the type of reports that really make me gush over a guy. I don't care if he never develops on offense.

If we could somehow get him and Singleton and just lock it down on D, I'd love it. We've got firepower offensively at both G spots,C and off the bench for sure. Singleton can knock down open shots at least. We'll need more O, but I'd rather build up a core that thrives on D and add a high level scorer to the mix next.
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Right now it looks like we're stuck with Biyombo (if he doesn't somehow get drafted earlier). I'm sorry but I just can't be overly excited about this. First of all we really didn't get to see anything on Biyombo outside of a game where he played against a bunch of people who were shorter than him. Maybe if I would have seen some more footage and he would have done the combines I could get a little enthusiasm going. Right now I just don't see having a front court of Biyombo and Monroe as a championship contending front court. Biyombo seems to me more like a specialist to come off the bench....

What I did see was some news about Kanter. Apparently he is in amazing shape, even though he wasn't able to play college ball this past season. They say he's extremely motivated and has been working very hard. There's a treadmill drill they do that's extremely difficult because it varies speeds and inclines. Typically big men don't last very long. Kanter lasted over 20 minutes and there were only 4 people to do so. The rest were guards. They say no big man has ever done that before.... so apparently he has some endurance to him. Overall they say his workouts were amazing. It might be worth looking into trading up.
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There are some good youtube videos of Biyombo, but not sure what else. I certainly see that as a potential championship frontcourt though. I've heard many say now that Biyombo can step on the court tomorrow and be a plus defender. He played in the toughest league in Europe, its not like he came out of the Congo yesterday. Was highly productive too.

Express has him ranked #3 overall now, so we probably don't get him IMO.
A scouting report on him for anyone who hasn't read it yet.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Biyombo-5902/

The thing I love most that they talk about here(and seems to be a consensus) is how intense his effort/motor is. They talk about how he will have to slow down and hone in his energy before he hurts himself or someone else. That's what I like to hear! Supposedly a great leader. Lucas Noguiera is a raw, athletic, shot blocking big man with potential. Biyombo is much more than that.

I do love Kanter though no doubt, and Valanciunas. If one of these 3 bigs falls I'll be thrilled. Irving,Williams,Knight,Walker,Leonard all have to go before 8 for this to happen basically.
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The funny thing is draftexpress updated their mock draft on Monday and still had Biyombo available to us at #8.

There's also a chance Motiejunas could go early on for a team who really wants to gamble on a big. It's a lock that Williams and Irving will go before us so there's two spots. Knight and Vesely are also locks to go in the top 7. Walker, Leonard, and Burks are all wild cards. I think Kanter will get taken too. That pretty much leaves Valanciunas or Biyombo as the bigs who might fall, though I think Valanciunas will get drafted in the top 7 too. At this point I agree, it's all about crossing our fingers and hoping we get one of those bigs to fall to our pick (especially Kanter and Valanciunas).

The thing that still confuses me about this draft is Minnesota. If Cleveland picks Irving like everyone thinks they will that leaves Williams. Depending on what Williams is he plays a position that one of their two best players do (Love and Beasley). That means they're pretty much going to have to make a trade. It's kind of like being stupid and drafting two PG's in lottery. Now they'll have all these guys at 6'9" that are lottery picks.... They really need a C or a SG. If I was Kahn I'd be drafting Kanter. Then Utah would be elated that Williams fell to them. They'd draft him and pass on Knight. Then Cleveland would have to draft Vesely causing Knight to fall farther. Toronto might snag Knight up with the 5th pick but they have a couple PG's and really need another big man so I could see them getting Valanciunas. Washington obviously wouldn't draft a PG so they'd go after Leonard since they need a SF. Sacramento would then draft Knight for sure and would be extremely happy he fell. That would leave Biyombo for us. That's if teams actually drafted smart and by what they needed of course.... That doesn't happen in the real world typically.
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Pistons worked Norris Cole, Malcolm Lee, Andrew Goudelock, Cory Joseph, Kalin Lucas & Andrew Albicy in today. Cole & Lee impressed.

All of them are PG's.
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I do think with one of their picks the Pistons will be selecting a PG. Those guys are all people who could be around in the begining of the 2nd round. It makes sense to work them all out together to get a comparison of who the best is. I don't think for a second that just because they selected White last year they won't select another guy who plays the same position. White may never even make the team. I think that probably does confirm they were really looking at Knight before everybody pulled out of the draft and he might have been around where the Pistons were picking. Anyway, it looks like Biyombo in the lottery and probably a PG with one of the 2nd round picks. If Jujuan Johnson is around in the 2nd round I'd still like to pick him up instead though. There has been a lot of good stuff I've seen about Cole and Lee. As popular as Lucas was at MSU I don't see him making too much of an impact in the NBA. In fact most mock NBA drafts don't even have him being selected right now.... He really slipped down after this season. There's a lot of mock drafts that have us selecting Lee in the 2nd round. UCLA guards have turned into pretty solid NBA players over the past few years. This is such a weak draft I think most of the 2nd rounders getting selected will end up in the D league or overseas for most of their careers anyhow. That's why I don't mind some kind of gamble in the 2nd round for a person with some upside. They'll probably never make the roster and if there's any kind of lockout we won't even see them in summer league.

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Hopefully its Lee or Darius Morris. Those are the 2 PGs I really like. Wouldn't mind their size and defense to go against Rose in our division and they are both pretty skilled.
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I do think with one of their picks the Pistons will be selecting a PG. Those guys are all people who could be around in the begining of the 2nd round. It makes sense to work them all out together to get a comparison of who the best is. I don't think for a second that just because they selected White last year they won't select another guy who plays the same position. White may never even make the team. I think that probably does confirm they were really looking at Knight before everybody pulled out of the draft and he might have been around where the Pistons were picking. Anyway, it looks like Biyombo in the lottery and probably a PG with one of the 2nd round picks. If Jujuan Johnson is around in the 2nd round I'd still like to pick him up instead though. There has been a lot of good stuff I've seen about Cole and Lee. As popular as Lucas was at MSU I don't see him making too much of an impact in the NBA. In fact most mock NBA drafts don't even have him being selected right now.... He really slipped down after this season. There's a lot of mock drafts that have us selecting Lee in the 2nd round. UCLA guards have turned into pretty solid NBA players over the past few years. This is such a weak draft I think most of the 2nd rounders getting selected will end up in the D league or overseas for most of their careers anyhow. That's why I don't mind some kind of gamble in the 2nd round for a person with some upside. They'll probably never make the roster and if there's any kind of lockout we won't even see them in summer league.


White is a Rodney Stuckey Clone. I seen him play at Ole Miss. He's more explosive than Rodney but they have the same game.
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