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Old 03-18-2011, 01:53 AM   #16
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Default Re: Is the 90s the golden age for basketball?

The mid to late '90s were actually pretty bad talentwise, which continued into the early 2000s. Early 90s sucked draftwise. Lots of cancers, promising young guys turning to drugs or getting out of shape or just being headcases, and all the old talent from the mid to late '80s were really old. Also didn't help that Hill and Penny went down with injuries.
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I think MJ's dominance of the 90s overshadowed what a great decade the 90s was. Besides having the GOAT, 90s was also the decade of the centers, shaq, d-rob, hakeem, ewing. it was also an era of great PGs, penny stockton, kidd, payton, etc.... and don't forget grant hill, malone, barkley, webber.... just so mant great players.

And let's not forget all the greats that were produced in the 90s.... shaq, KG, duncan, kobe, ray allen, etc........

I think the talent level in the NBA is better than the 80s, it just seemed weak because MJ dominate the league, but when in reality it had the greatest bunch of players ever

I've always stated that the 90s is two different eras.

The first half is perhaps the greatest defensive era in the history of the NBA.

Teams took the Jordan Rules to another level, also teams began to stack up on defensive players on the front and back court, whose sole purpose was to defend (or be physical). Player's athleticism in this time was superior than those of the 80s (overall), and while some of the legends from the 70s and 80s were on their way out, the great players from the mid 80s were starting to develop their teams more.

After 96 or so, the new era of what I call the 'hip hop gen' came into the league and ruined everything. Another huge problem was the influx of younger players coming into the league. The league in financial dire, was pushing stars that weren't ready. And they began to believe their own hype as a result. It was an era of big contracts with little results to show for.

And well... the 2K era many agree is one of the worst.
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:26 AM   #18
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The mid to late '90s were actually pretty bad talentwise, which continued into the early 2000s. Early 90s sucked draftwise. Lots of cancers, promising young guys turning to drugs or getting out of shape or just being headcases, and all the old talent from the mid to late '80s were really old. Also didn't help that Hill and Penny went down with injuries.

Huh?

The 70s and 80s was filled with players that were drug addicts. And those eras didn't even believe in weight lifting or what are now basic training.

It wasn't until the late 80s that players started to take training more serious, but even then, it wasn't as widespread or as advanced as it was in the 90s.

There's tons of stories of players playing high and sniffing coke before, during and after games. Some of the greatest 'legends' from those eras succumbed to drug use.
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:49 AM   #19
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Default Re: Is the 90s the golden age for basketball?

80's/early 90's was the peak. Its started to go downhill about '94, and didn't start to recover until the advent of the "superteam" with the Celtics in '08.

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Old 03-18-2011, 07:44 AM   #20
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The 80's was a lot more entertaining.

I'm hoping that we're entering an era where we're going to be somewhere between the 80's and 90's as far as the entertainment value.
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The "golden age" is whenever your childhood was or whenever you came of age.

Most people see everything during that time period through rose-tint nostalgia glasses and feel like everything back then was the greatest ever.

Everything is more 'special' or 'magical' to someone when they're a child or when they're growing up.

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Old 03-18-2011, 07:57 AM   #22
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The mid to late '90s were actually pretty bad talentwise, which continued into the early 2000s. Early 90s sucked draftwise. Lots of cancers, promising young guys turning to drugs or getting out of shape or just being headcases, and all the old talent from the mid to late '80s were really old. Also didn't help that Hill and Penny went down with injuries.

ths is correct.

the 80's were the best years by far. great players of the 80's mixed to the young players from the overloaded draft of 84-85-86 gave us the best years. then those guys were still there until 95 but like you said, bad draft from the early 90's killed the league. so after the last good generation of the mid 80's getting old, the nba was done. plus, 90's were the first years of sports business, the first big contracts, rookies were already named superstars before they enter the league.

but the major difference is on pure basketball skills. the gap is a huge hole when you compare 80's players to 00's.

damn, is there someone who claims that we are entering the golden years and back up his absurd ideas??
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:10 AM   #23
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80's/realy 90's was the peak. Its started to go downhill about '94, and didn't start to recover until the advent of the "superteam" with the Celtics in '08.

Haha, probably! That's when teams started to get better with both sides. Although the mid 90s weren't that bad, but the early 00s were. I like that the East and West are both pretty strong now.
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The "golden age" is whenever your childhood was or whenever you came of age.

Most people see everything during that time period through rose-tint nostalgia glasses and feel like everything back then was the greatest ever.

Everything is more 'special' or 'magical' to someone when they're a child or when they're growing up.
Exactly, Ten years from now the golden age will be when Lebron 3peats with the Heat
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even if it is, kids these days will disagree, and the generation after them will have their own opinion. it's all relative. they didnt see the 90s so they cant offer a real opinion and automatically think whatever era they grew up with is the best. eventually people are even going to forget Michael Jordan's greatness because they wouldnt have seen his games. How many of us can really say they saw Oscar Robertson dominate? And as the people who have actually seen these players decreases more and more, their status falls because status is somewhat subjective.
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:27 PM   #26
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In terms of widest appeal, I think it's hard to argue the 90s weren't the NBA's peak.

Basketball was *the* sport to watch at that time, even people who generally didn't like basketball watched it at that time.

I would say between 1987-1998 was the NBA's hey-day. You also had the NBA changing so much, the rise of Nike, the 1992 Dream Team bringing basketball to a global scale, pop culture becoming enchanted by Jordan (especially the Rodman-infused '96 Bulls), etc.

It's never been quite the same after that.

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The 80's and the 60's are the two greatest eras in terms of all-time great teams/rivalries and players. Both had limited expansion during their era and the increased popularity of the league lead to expansion following both eras.

We might be on to something now, all these stars aligning are going to allow players to better fall into their roles (on the good teams) and while the league might suck for fans of 22-25 teams, the pure NBA fans and those in the Golden Markets are going to be in for a real treat.


60's had Russell, Wilt and Baylor for the entire decade, West and Oscar from 60-61 on, Havlicek from 63 on and the tail end of the Bob Cousy, Dolph Schayes and Bob Pettit's as well the first half of Rick Barry and Willis Reed's. 11 of the top 35 players all-time. The Lakers/Celtics and Celtics/76ers rivalries were born.

80's had Kareem, Moses, Magic and Bird for the entire decade, Isiah for nearly all of it, the tail end of Dr. J's career and the early years for stars like MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Stockton, Ewing and Malone. 12 of those same top 35. Between the two decades you saw prime years for more than two thirds of the NBA's all-time greats. That's pretty amazing.
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No era is better than another. I think the 80s mayve been a little better as far as the rivalries. But not due to more talent. I know what you guys are doing. Knock the bulls record by saying they didn't beat any talented teams. Thus saying that the talent wasn't good after 93. Like all the great players retired. And use the usual the talent was diluted era as an excuse. You guys are pathetic.
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I think MJ's dominance of the 90s overshadowed what a great decade the 90s was. Besides having the GOAT, 90s was also the decade of the centers, shaq, d-rob, hakeem, ewing. it was also an era of great PGs, penny stockton, kidd, payton, etc.... and don't forget grant hill, malone, barkley, webber.... just so mant great players.

And let's not forget all the greats that were produced in the 90s.... shaq, KG, duncan, kobe, ray allen, etc........

I think the talent level in the NBA is better than the 80s, it just seemed weak because MJ dominate the league, but when in reality it had the greatest bunch of players ever

I think it is.
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I agree with those who said the '80s was the best decade for the NBA.

Personally, I'm partial to the 1970s. A mix of championship parity with some dominance (the Knicks in 1970 and '73, the Celtics in '74 and '76), the ABA, a much more physical and combative game, better all-around fundamentals, more ball movement and movement away from the ball, lots of great centers (Kareem Abdul-Jabaar in his prime, Bill Walton when he was healthy, plus Bob Lanier, Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, Dave Cowens, Willis Reed, Moses Malone, and Artis Gilmore), and some of the greatest athletes (like Dr. J, Skywalker, Iceman, and Pistol Pete--okay, an era of great nicknames too!) to ever lace up sneakers. And don't forget, Bird and Magic--the main two players who would rescue the NBA from the Tape Delay Era--arrived in 1979.

Even though this era clearly had its problems (drugs, racial consternation among fans and corporate sponsors, NBA play becoming TOO combative one night in December 1977), I nevertheless have a soft spot in my heart for the '70s.

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