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Old 03-18-2011, 07:33 PM   #31
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Imagine if some young kid started saying "Kobe was a scrub who only scored 15 points a game on 20% shooting" thread after thread. Some people will actually start to believe that sh!t if nobody corrects them.


Yup, just like the Space Jam generation did with other past greats.
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:41 PM   #32
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When did basketball become about being a spokesperson for underwear and cereal?

It never did.

So you can miss me with all that.

On the basketball court,

Jordans legacy isn't what Kareems and Bills are. Hes a notch below.

Yeah? In Kareem and Bills day whenthe NBA and ABA were both broke? The talent was watered down and nobody watched?

Jordan legacy Funded the NBA we watch today.

Dosen't Kobe wear shoe's made by the company Jordan made?



Without him people would be playing in bare feet.

Respect were due. Jordan's legacy is more than on the court (part of what makes him the best). Sort of like Jesus' legacy.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:28 PM   #33
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This is how the media influences people.

Sheer marketing hype is what makes people think that Jordan is the greatest. To them the only criteria that makes Jordan the greatest is endorsements and popularity.

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Old 03-18-2011, 08:45 PM   #34
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This is how the media influences people.

Sheer marketing hype is what makes people think that Jordan is the greatest. To them the only criteria that makes Jordan the greatest is endorsements and popularity.

If there was no mj and kobe never saw mj play, who would he have patterned his game after? Would kobe be the player he is today if it wasn't for mj? IMO, no.

Jordan't influence goes way beyond off the court. His style, skill and impact on the court had a huge influence on many players today. Jordan is the Greatest shooting guard ever because of his basketball ability and kobe patterned 90% of his game after MJ to become the player he is.

Players today benefit from what magic, mj, bird, etc. did on the court to popularize the game in regards to salaries and endorsements. But these dudes were no scrubs when it came to ballin'.

Get a clue young buck.
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Jordan revloutionised Sport, Marketing and Business Like no other PERSON in history. Become the most famous PERSON on the planet. He pushed his teamates perfom to standards beyond anything anyone could think possible. He pushed his opponents to standards nobody thought possible.

How is that for a legacy?

and just when you thought Jordan stans couldn't jock any harder

(waits for he made Pippen , Rodman , Kukoc , Cartwright , Grant etc..)

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The thing is nobody has to defend Jordan on these boards His Legacy speaks for its self. People just try to educate and stop the Kobe/Laker fans looking so foolish.


Jordan stan - "He didn't have any good teammates....that's why he lost from 1984 - 1990 and 1995...and 2001 and 2002"

Jordan stan - "When MJ won he made everyone perform beyond what is possible"


see the stupidity....in these 2 statements???

all Jordan stans do is defend his legacy....they tell everyone Kobe can't touch him.....







Kobe is comparable to MJ..similar players , similar roles....no matter what Jordan stan says
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:00 PM   #36
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If there was no mj and kobe never saw mj play, who would he have patterned his game after? Would kobe be the player he is today if it wasn't for mj? IMO, no.

Jordan't influence goes way beyond off the court. His style, skill and impact on the court had a huge influence on many players today. Jordan is the Greatest shooting guard ever because of his basketball ability and kobe patterned 90% of his game after MJ to become the player he is.

Players today benefit from what magic, mj, bird, etc. did on the court to popularize the game in regards to salaries and endorsements. But these dudes were no scrubs when it came to ballin'.

Get a clue young buck.


Bird and Magic had more influence on the "Game" of basketball then Jordan did. They made the game a top tier sport and started the revolution.

But what about Russell and Chamberlain who broke threw Barriers on and off the court....

Baylor and Dr.J who took the game into the air...without him Jordan would be doing 2 handed set shots...and layups.

Jordan impacted marketing for athletes like no ther...but that is only ONE ASPECT of an athlete..

Trust me Bird and Magic were Basketball Gods in the 80's...and brought Basketball to the forefront.

and Jordan took his style and Marketed it in the fastest growing sport at the time.

No Russell, Kareem , Chamberlain , Bird , Magic and Dr.J etc....No Jordan....No Kobe....etc.
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the usual twisting and lies from alpha right there, biggest one that stands out- 2 mvps for mj, not 3?


and we are not gonna seriously say kobe was as good and consistent a defensive player as mj are we? the last 3 all nba 1st team defense have been by default. i distinctly recall in interviews during the 35ppg season(in response to why his defense had been poor that season) his stating that the offensive toll taken upon him meant he couldnt expand energy at the defensive end. and ofcourse he got all nba first team d again that year- thats when i knew kobes rep was gonna get him plenty, now i wont debate his all nba selections cause they are perfectly valid but those all nba defense selections are underserving by kobes own admission.
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Jordan stan - "He didn't have any good teammates....that's why he lost from 1984 - 1990 and 1995...and 2001 and 2002"

Jordan stan - "When MJ won he made everyone perform beyond what is possible"


see the stupidity....in these 2 statements???


this is perfect example of alpha- just make up something, pretend everyone is saying it so that you can throw it out and disprove it
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the usual twisting and lies from alpha right there, biggest one that stands out- 2 mvps for mj, not 3?


and we are not gonna seriously say kobe was as good and consistent a defensive player as mj are we? the last 3 all nba 1st team defense have been by default. i distinctly recall in interviews during the 35ppg season(in response to why his defense had been poor that season) his stating that the offensive toll taken upon him meant he couldnt expand energy at the defensive end. and ofcourse he got all nba first team d again that year- thats when i knew kobes rep was gonna get him plenty, now i wont debate his all nba selections cause they are perfectly valid but those all nba defense selections are underserving by kobes own admission.

Players get the 1st team all defense based on popularity these days. It's become a joke. They're like free handouts for Kobe.

Michael Jordan's offense > Kobe Bryant's offense
Michael Jordan's defense >>> Kobe Bryant's defense
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This is how the media influences people.

Sheer marketing hype is what makes people think that Jordan is the greatest. To them the only criteria that makes Jordan the greatest is endorsements and popularity.

Got to be able to pay for the courts NBA players play on, got to be able to supply and audience for media to market to and for the players to play for.

Jordan supplied and paid for that.

Kobe has Jordan to thank for suppling him Gasol as a team mate. Do you think he would have picked up a ball in the first place or do you think Spanish basketball would have come so far without this:



Maybe Kobe needs to thank Jordan for a championship?
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Bird and Magic had more influence on the "Game" of basketball then Jordan did. They made the game a top tier sport and started the revolution.

But what about Russell and Chamberlain who broke threw Barriers on and off the court....

Baylor and Dr.J who took the game into the air...without him Jordan would be doing 2 handed set shots...and layups.

Jordan impacted marketing for athletes like no ther...but that is only ONE ASPECT of an athlete..

Trust me Bird and Magic were Basketball Gods in the 80's...and brought Basketball to the forefront.

and Jordan took his style and Marketed it in the fastest growing sport at the time.

No Russell, Kareem , Chamberlain , Bird , Magic and Dr.J etc....No Jordan....No Kobe....etc.

That's your opinion and I'm not going to argue the point cuz for the most part I don't disagree with you. But you are missing the point of my post. Who had more influence is irrelevant and a matter of opinion. MJ helped make the game global. That can't be ignored either.

But your response to my post was unnecessary.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:22 PM   #42
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Players get the 1st team all defense based on popularity these days. It's become a joke. They're like free handouts for Kobe.

Michael Jordan's offense > Kobe Bryant's offense
Michael Jordan's defense >>> Kobe Bryant's defense


This basically sums it up. The film, stats, and accolades back it up. Kobe is great though. He's just not as good as Jordan was.
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Got to be able to pay for the courts NBA players play on, got to be able to supply and audience for media to market to and for the players to play for.

Jordan supplied and paid for that.

Kobe has Jordan to thank for suppling him Gasol as a team mate. Do you think he would have picked up a ball in the first place or do you think Spanish basketball would have come so far without this:



Maybe Kobe needs to thank Jordan for a championship?
This is probably the bullshit'er post I've seen here. It is so awesome I am without words. You are the best

BTW I am not a Kobe stan, and I do think Jordan's better but just because he was an icon while Kobe really isn't honestly. Only Kobe stan probably think he does...
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People compare Kobe's career to Jordan's and assume he can't be great without at least matching Jordan.

A lot of people don't realize just how incredible Jordan's career was all around.

In fact, even if you cut all of Jordan's accolodes in half, he would still have one of the greatest careers EVER. (Rounding .5's up)

5 scoring titles
3 championships
3 finals mvps
1 defensive player of the year award
2 times leader in steals per game
3 time league mvp
5 time all defensive team
6 time all nba selection
1 time nba dunk champion
1 time olympic gold medalist

Half of Jordan's career is something that if another player had, he would be considered a top 15 player of all time. Everyone needs to stop comparing Kobe, or anyone else's, career to Michael Jordan's. He's just that good.
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That's your opinion and I'm not going to argue the point cuz for the most part I don't disagree with you. But you are missing the point of my post. Who had more influence is irrelevant and a matter of opinion. MJ helped make the game global. That can't be ignored either.

But your response to my post was unnecessary.

sorry ...But without MJ...Kobe would have patterned more of his game around Jerry West , Bird and Magic....


Kobe going left looks just like the Logo's ....Kobe's No look pass in transition...very much like Magic (as much as you can get)

Kobe's shoulder dip = Larry Legend curling off the screen...

Kobe took MJ's fadeaway....
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