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Old 03-19-2011, 01:30 PM   #31
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The Heat were 2nd defensively for points allowed (94.2).

The Heat were 2nd defensively for opponent FG% (43.9%)

They were 3rd for opponent points in the paint (37.0)

5th for opponent 3 point % (34.2%)

4th in blocks (5.6)

And defensively the Heat were 3rd in the league for fast break points against (11.4)
And all of that adds up to being the 6th best defensive team
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:30 PM   #32
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From the 2010 season. And it's not one of his 2 best defensive seasons. If you look deeply into his body of work in every season he deserves 3 ALL NBA defensive 1st teams. He's only been on defensive 2nd teams which is a joke. It's a popularity contest not about skill.

and forget about the fact that he is the all time leader when it comes to blocks per game average for guards.


ISOLATION
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 130 0.71 PTS 28.3 FG% 9.2 TO%
T. Sefolosha 248 0.79 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.3 TO%
G. Hill 193 0.83 PTS 41.1 FG% 8.8 TO%
R. Artest 186 0.66 PTS 29.6 FG% 12.4 TO%
L. James 146 0.60 PTS 30.8 FG% 17.8 TO%
K. Bryant 161 0.75 PTS 33.6 FG% 11.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 160 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 9.4 TO%
B. Rush 160 0.83 PTS 39.3 FG% 13.1 TO%
A. Afflalo 155 0.89 PTS 36.2 FG% 11.6 TO%
S. Battier 151 0.82 PTS 36.2 FG% 6.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 139 0.78 PTS 38.2 FG% 13.7 TO%


PICK & ROLL ON-BALL HANDLER
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Hinrich 242 0.85 PTS 44.5 FG% 16.9 TO%
T. Sefolosha 214 0.82 PTS 39.5 FG% 14.5 TO%
D. Wade 146 0.70 PTS 38.9 FG% 24.7 TO%
K. Bryant 207 0.76 PTS 35.8 FG% 12.1 TO%
R. Artest 195 0.76 PTS 37.5 FG% 20.0 TO%
B. Rush 194 0.70 PTS 32.8 FG% 18.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 170 0.66 PTS 33.3 FG% 22.4 TO%
L. James 142 0.82 PTS 37.3 FG% 7.7 TO%
G. Hill 132 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 12.9 TO%
S. Battier 127 0.80 PTS 44.2 FG% 18.9 TO%
L. M-a Moute 85 0.71 PTS 35.5 FG% 16.5 TO%


POST-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
L. M-a Moute 115 0.90 PTS 47.7 FG% 15.7 TO%
S. Battier 101 0.96 PTS 44.3 FG% 3.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 96 0.97 PTS 51.3 FG% 10.4 TO%
A. Afflalo 88 0.84 PTS 38.6 FG% 8.0 TO%
T. Sefolosha 84 1.00 PTS 50.8 FG% 11.9 TO%
G. Hill 83 0.87 PTS 43.1 FG% 9.6 TO%
R. Artest 73 0.86 PTS 44.1 FG% 12.3 TO%
B. Rush 56 0.70 PTS 31.9 FG% 7.1 TO%
K. Bryant 49 0.71 PTS 37.8 FG% 14.3 TO%
D. Wade 45 0.96 PTS 48.7 FG% 8.9 TO%
L. James 43 0.86 PTS 48.4 FG% 18.6 TO%


PICK & ROLL ON-ROLL MAN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 16 0.38 PTS 18.2 FG% 25.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 27 0.63 PTS 34.8 FG% 11.1 TO%
S. Battier 24 1.13 PTS 55.0 FG% 12.5 TO%
G. Hill 23 0.78 PTS 36.8 FG% 8.7 TO%
R. Artest 16 0.94 PTS 42.9 FG% 12.5 TO%
L. James 16 0.44 PTS 20.0 FG% 6.3 TO%
K. Bryant 13 1.15 PTS 54.5 FG% 7.7 TO%
T. Sefolosha 9 0.44 PTS 22.2 FG% 0.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 9 1.67 PTS 100.0 FG% 33.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 8 0.88 PTS 28.6 FG% 0.0 TO%
B. Rush 5 0.00 PTS 0.0 FG% 40.0 TO%


SPOT-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Bryant 393 0.94 PTS 36.7 FG% 4.8 TO%
D. Wade 328 0.92 PTS 36.0 FG% 5.8 TO%
R. Artest 290 0.88 PTS 35.8 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 273 1.00 PTS 40.6 FG% 4.0 TO%
G. Hill 260 1.05 PTS 41.7 FG% 5.4 TO%
B. Rush 213 0.96 PTS 37.9 FG% 5.6 TO%
T. Sefolosha 254 1.00 PTS 37.3 FG% 4.7 TO%
K. Hinrich 238 0.93 PTS 33.6 FG% 2.1 TO%
S. Battier 234 0.90 PTS 38.8 FG% 7.3 TO%
L. M-a Moute 199 0.94 PTS 42.0 FG% 9.5 TO%
A. Afflalo 185 0.84 PTS 31.8 FG% 4.3 TO%

OFF-SCREEN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
R. Artest 128 0.80 PTS 38.1 FG% 7.9 TO%
B. Rush 102 0.78 PTS 33.0 FG% 2.9 TO%
D. Wade 94 0.96 PTS 44.2 FG% 7.4 TO%
S. Battier 90 0.96 PTS 39.2 FG% 5.6 TO%
A. Afflalo 87 0.80 PTS 33.8 FG% 4.6 TO%
K. Bryant 83 0.98 PTS 41.9 FG% 4.8 TO%
T. Sefolosha 77 0.81 PTS 34.3 FG% 5.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 73 0.90 PTS 39.1 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 67 1.03 PTS 45.8 FG% 4.5 TO%
G. Hill 59 0.97 PTS 42.3 FG% 3.4 TO%
L. M-a Moute 46 0.83 PTS 40.0 FG% 6.5 TO%


HAND-OFF
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 42 0.74 PTS 36.7 FG% 19.0 TO%
L. James 40 0.55 PTS 28.6 FG% 10.0 TO%
R. Artest 61 0.90 PTS 40.9 FG% 11.5 TO%
K. Bryant 45 1.02 PTS 43.9 FG% 4.4 TO%
B. Rush 44 0.70 PTS 33.0 FG% 9.1 TO%
T. Sefolosha 44 0.93 PTS 45.7 FG% 13.6 TO%
S. Battier 43 0.91 PTS 36.1 FG% 2.3 TO%
A. Afflalo 38 0.89 PTS 37.9 FG% 15.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 38 0.79 PTS 35.5 FG% 10.5 TO%
G. Hill 33 0.91 PTS 40.0 FG% 3.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 19 1.00 PTS 42.9 FG% 10.5 TO%


OVERALL
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
T. Sefolosha 1097 0.91 PTS 41.1 FG% 9.2 TO%
D. Wade 805 0.83 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.2 TO%
R. Artest 1000 0.80 PTS 36.4 FG% 11.0 TO%
L. James 727 0.84 PTS 38.0 FG% 8.8 TO%
K. Bryant 954 0.86 PTS 37.2 FG% 8.1 TO%
B. Rush 950 0.83 PTS 37.3 FG% 9.5 TO%
L. M-a Moute 969 0.86 PTS 42.0 FG% 11.9 TO%
A. Afflalo 913 0.87 PTS 38.0 FG% 9.7 TO%
S. Battier 870 0.89 PTS 40.3 FG% 8.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 861 0.89 PTS 40.9 FG% 9.5 TO%
G. Hill 787 0.92 PTS 41.5 FG% 7.8 TO%


I agree i still dont think that LeBron james is a better player than Wade. Outside of passing and 3pt shooting Dwyane wade trumps LeBron in everything especially in heart and leadership. The Media tells us james is better and he's most valuable. This imo has yet to be seen visibily i dont see James do anything extra for that heat team Wade doesn't do. Wade is the best on ball defender on the team and he's their best shot block not named anthony. he's just as good a rebounder as James and He has a better post up game and mid range game than James.

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Old 03-19-2011, 01:31 PM   #33
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Default Re: Dwyane Wade vs Dwight Howard

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The Heat were 2nd defensively for points allowed (94.2).

The Heat were 2nd defensively for opponent FG% (43.9%)

They were 3rd for opponent points in the paint (37.0)

5th for opponent 3 point % (34.2%)

4th in blocks (5.6)

And defensively the Heat were 3rd in the league for fast break points against (11.4)

They played at the 3rd slowest pace in the league, they were 6th in defensive rating which is points allowed per 100 possessions, a far more accurate way of ranking a team defensively.

And as far as the question of this thread, you could choose either Wade or Howard and I wouldn't argue, though I think Dwight has been better this season. We'll have to see what they do in the playoffs.
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Old 03-19-2011, 01:35 PM   #34
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They played at the 3rd slowest pace in the league, they were 6th in defensive rating which is points allowed per 100 possessions, a far more accurate way of ranking a team defensively.

I don't totally buy into that formula. When the FG% against is much higher for both interior and perimeter D combined then the D is better than the pace suggests.

You can't be high on both unless your rotating defense is doing exceptionally well. And the defenders are doing a great job.
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Dwight.
Please... No one takes perimeter player over best C in league.

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I don't totally buy into that formula. When the FG% against is much higher for both interior and perimeter D combined then the D is better than the pace suggests.

You can't be high on both unless your rotating defense is doing exceptionally well. And the defenders are doing a great job.

Why not? It's easily the most accurate statistic for judging a team's defense because it factors in everything such as how well they guard the 3 point line, how much they foul and how well they defend the point. This is because the statistic is very simple, but obvious, it's just who allows the fewest points per possession. How much more accurate can you get than that?
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Tell me how well D-Wade could have done with Jameer, Lewis, Turkoglu, Gortat and a better coach. Dwight wouldn't do scrap with Arroyo, Q-Rich, Beasley and Jermaine O'Neal. Wade could have easily led that team through the ECF to the Finals.
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Dwight.
Please... No one takes perimeter player over best C in league.
So Dwight over Lebron?
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Tell me how well D-Wade could have done with Jameer, Lewis, Turkoglu, Gortat and a better coach. Dwight wouldn't do scrap with Arroyo, Q-Rich, Beasley and Jermaine O'Neal. Wade could have easily led that team through the ECF to the Finals.
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Dominant center > Dominant guard. Wade is the better "player" though, but thats irrelevant...



give me the dominant guard between those two
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Tell me how well D-Wade could have done with Jameer, Lewis, Turkoglu, Gortat and a better coach. Dwight wouldn't do scrap with Arroyo, Q-Rich, Beasley and Jermaine O'Neal. Wade could have easily led that team through the ECF to the Finals.

Dwight did lead that team to the finals in '09, except they didn't have Nelson and Dwight is easily a better player now than he was in '09.
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Tell me how well D-Wade could have done with Jameer, Lewis, Turkoglu, Gortat and a better coach. Dwight wouldn't do scrap with Arroyo, Q-Rich, Beasley and Jermaine O'Neal. Wade could have easily led that team through the ECF to the Finals.
Tell me what Wade can do with this magic teams?
The flipside of their current W-L?
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