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Old 03-27-2011, 04:04 PM   #16
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well barkley and malone never won and Garnett didn't win until he joined Allen and Pierce

weren't early round fodder tho
edit: except for kg

four 1stR exits and four 2ndR exits

played over 10 playoff games 3 times

first round exit vs 8 seed as the #1 seed

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Old 03-27-2011, 04:06 PM   #17
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Caron wasnt even on the 2005-2006 roster.

Kobe carried those mutherfuckers to the playoffs and battle with the Suns in a 7 game series

He also missed the playoffs the year before and was beaten down the year after. Only to demand a trade and whine the year after that, then get bailed out by a completely lopsided Gasol trade.

No one can win without elite teammates. It's been the one truth in NBA history. Any moron who ignores that will never understand how a team sport works. Dirk has never had an elite teammate (Don't say Nash and Finley, Nash was a 14/8 player and Finley was old and declining). Dirk's only real 2nd banana in his prime years was Josh Howard, where is he now?

Who of these power forwards have averaged 50/40/90 shooting percentages? Dirk isn't a prototypical power forward, everyone can see that. He is one of the most unique players in NBA history, unfortunately that will always result in either high praise or in this case critique from those who cannot tolerate a power forward with more diverse talents.
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but but it's Dirk! we're all supposed to feel sorry for him and excuse any flaws in his game as just "having the wrong teammates". We're supposed to completely ignore that in some of his prime seasons, he was getting checked (or at the least, taken out of his zone) by 6'8 players in Udonis Haslem, James Posey, Stephen Jackson, etc. And Dirk is not an intimidator - you have to go back to April 2007 to find a playoff game in which he blocked more than 2 shots. Witnessed him basically get dunked on by a rookie DeJuan Blair last post season, and in the Final game of the 2007 first round Matt Barnes dunked on him pretty bad too. Every player get's dunked on, but some players are softer than others for sure. You CAN build around Dirk, but building a championship team around him I think is going to have to be somewhat stacked and almost certainly over the salary cap. That takes a committed and free-spending owner mind you, which Dirk has been lucky to have.

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Old 03-27-2011, 04:16 PM   #19
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Oddly, you seem to believe having consecutive 50+ win seasons is anything compared to winning a championship.

Homers gona home.

He's been to the Finals coming out of the West. Who else can say that they did that playing with ZERO all stars?
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Old 03-27-2011, 04:19 PM   #20
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but but it's Dirk! we're all supposed to feel sorry for him and excuse any flaws in his game as just "having the wrong teammates". We're supposed to completely ignore that in some of his prime seasons, he was getting checked (or at the least, taken out of his zone) by 6'8 players in Udonis Haslem, James Posey, Stephen Jackson, etc. And Dirk is not an intimidator - you have to go back to April 2007 to find a playoff game in which he blocked more than 2 shots. Witnessed him basically get dunked on by a rookie DeJuan Blair last post season, and in the Final game of the 2007 first round Matt Barnes dunked on him pretty bad too. Every player get's dunked on, but some players are softer than others for sure. You CAN build around Dirk, but building a championship team around him I think is going to have to be somewhat stacked and almost certainly over the salary cap. That takes a committed and free-spending owner mind you, which Dirk has been lucky to have.
Sh*t, you witnessed Dirk getting dunked on TWICE? Damn... It's definitely not able to build around that guy.
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I'm looking froward to seeing the spurs lose 1st round
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Old 03-27-2011, 04:22 PM   #22
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but but it's Dirk! we're all supposed to feel sorry for him and excuse any flaws in his game as just "having the wrong teammates". We're supposed to completely ignore that in some of his prime seasons, he was getting checked (or at the least, taken out of his zone) by 6'8 players in Udonis Haslem, James Posey, Stephen Jackson, etc. And Dirk is not an intimidator - you have to go back to April 2007 to find a playoff game in which he blocked more than 2 shots. Witnessed him basically get dunked on by a rookie DeJuan Blair last post season, and in the Final game of the 2007 first round Matt Barnes dunked on him pretty bad too. Every player get's dunked on, but some players are softer than others for sure. You CAN build around Dirk, but building a championship team around him I think is going to have to be somewhat stacked and almost certainly over the salary cap. That takes a committed and free-spending owner mind you, which Dirk has been lucky to have.




to all the morons. dirk has only had 1 teammate his entire career make the all-nba team.

dirk's teams have only underachieved twice in the playoffs. 2007 and 2010.

Dirk's teams have overachieved in the playoffs three times. 2001 and 2006 and 2009.

Dirk has led the mavs to 50 wins 11 straight seasons.

again...his 2nd best player since 04 has been jason terry.

again....he's never had an all-nba teammate or elite 2nd option since 2004.

kobe bryant has never won a title without an all-nba teammate. kobe bryant has never won a playoff series without shaq or gasol. LOL

you people are ****ing morons.

hard to build around? he's probably one of the easiest players to build around. 26 points 11 boards 3 assists for his career in the playoffs while being the best clutch player of this era. the mavs win more close games than any other team in the league. Dirk is the 2nd best game winning shot maker behind Melo. The Mavs offensive efficiency in tight games is top 5.

LOL

hard to build around? couldn't be more false. which is why it sucks even more that Dirk never got his 2nd option. give dirk paul pierce or joe johnson and he wins 2 or 3 titles easily.

damn you people are just so dumb.
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Sh*t, you witnessed Dirk getting dunked on TWICE? Damn... It's definitely not able to build around that guy.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said, right

it'll be the same Dirk homers in here defending him to no end... You'd think Dirk was literally never, ever, contributing to a Mavericks loss, yet single-handedly carrying his teams to wins with the way he's described by Mavs fans.
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saying dirk is hard to build around is like saying larry bird was hard to build around.
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If you can have a big man who is legit next to him, you could do it. Dirks unique skillset is pretty great.

The problem is most teams don't even have one good big man but Dallas needs two because their big man is unconventional.
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to all the morons. dirk has only had 1 teammate his entire career make the all-nba team.

dirk's teams have only underachieved twice in the playoffs. 2007 and 2010.

Dirk's teams have overachieved in the playoffs three times. 2001 and 2006 and 2009.

Dirk has led the mavs to 50 wins 11 straight seasons.

again...his 2nd best player since 04 has been jason terry.

again....he's never had an all-nba teammate or elite 2nd option since 2004.

kobe bryant has never won a title without an all-nba teammate. kobe bryant has never won a playoff series without shaq or gasol. LOL

you people are ****ing morons.

hard to build around? he's probably one of the easiest players to build around. 26 points 11 boards 3 assists for his career in the playoffs while being the best clutch player of this era. the mavs win more close games than any other team in the league. Dirk is the 2nd best game winning shot maker behind Melo. The Mavs offensive efficiency in tight games is top 5.

LOL

hard to build around? couldn't be more false. which is why it sucks even more that Dirk never got his 2nd option. give dirk paul pierce or joe johnson and he wins 2 or 3 titles easily.

damn you people are just so dumb.

The problem with Dirk is that he's been a bad defensive player most of his career and is not good at getting his teammates involved.
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Yeah, because that's exactly what I said, right

it'll be the same Dirk homers in here defending him to no end... You'd think Dirk was literally never, ever, contributing to a Mavericks loss, yet single-handedly carrying his teams to wins with the way he's described by Mavs fans.

actually that is pretty much true in the playoffs almost every year.

of course dirk has had some bad moments. name me a player that hasn't.

the difference is that no other great player has played with worse teams than dirk now. KG used to win that award. but now he's had 4 years of elite teammates. dirk has never had that.
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The problem with Dirk is that he's been a bad defensive player throughout his career and is not good at getting his teammates involved.

this is simply not true.

dirk gets all his teammates involved. jason terry gets more than half his shots of dirk pick and pops.

dirk opens up so much for kidd and peja right now off the wing posts.

dirk's defense has never been great. his defensive rebounding has been great though. like i said. larry bird didn't play great defense either.

LOL

find me one year in which Dirk actually had the best team in the league.

hell, I don't think Dirk has ever even had a top two team in the league.
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actually that is pretty much true in the playoffs almost every year.

of course dirk has had some bad moments. name me a player that hasn't.

the difference is that no other great player has played with worse teams than dirk now. KG used to win that award. but now he's had 4 years of elite teammates. dirk has never had that.

KG's Timberwolves supporting casts <<<<<< Dirk's supporting casts
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KG's Timberwolves supporting casts <<<<<< Dirk's supporting casts

totally agree. and that is why Dirk had more success both in the regular season and playoffs.

and that is why Dirk flat out made KG his ***** the one time they met in the playoffs.

made him his *****.

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