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Old 10-17-2012, 07:26 PM   #1726
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dana just said all the top contenders turned down a fight with jones. ok, i guess that makes a little more sense.

I have a hard time believing that all the 'top contendors' really turned down a fight with Superbrat. What's that from- a short list of ONE guy who happens to be injured? Then there's the fact that it came out of Dana's mouth. Not a frequent source of factual information to begin with.

Having said that, should make for the most hilarious season of TUF, ever...
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:26 AM   #1727
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moreover, chael got to #1 contender fights by beating jim miller and okami. okami has struggled mightily with wrestlers. miller? well, i'll just let you look up his 'signature' wins.

It was his brother, Dan. I like the Miller brothers, but yeah, Dan just isn't that good of a win. Jim, on the other hand, would be a good win for a LW.

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who actually thinks chael has a chance? i give him less of a chance than vitor. even if he is able to get jones down, i don't see how he's able to keep him there. let's say he does...not like his gnp puts guys away. how does he win?

I don't know. It might be a bigger upset than Serra/GSP if it were to happen. At least Serra had power (he was known for his grappling, but he did have power). IMO, it would be a bigger upset, but I'm not sure if it would be Vegas-wise.

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i guess jones saying chael 'wasn't deserving' didn't matter much either. dude says one thing and does another, yet again. i guess now he's deserving despite not having any fights since.

He didn't say Chael was suddenly deserving.
"I think I'm over the fact of whether he deserves it or not, and I'm getting more realistic with the fact that the fans really want it."

"Does it de-legitimize the belt? I'm going to have to say (it does) in some ways," said Jones, who said a meeting with Dan Henderson was next on his list after Sonnen. "But in some ways it doesn't because this has nothing to do with the belt for me. This is more about putting him into irrelevance."

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dana just said all the top contenders turned down a fight with jones.

He's referring to UFC 151 when he asked people to take it on rather short notice. It also ignores the fact that there were a couple guys (Weidman is one off the top of my head) who said they would have taken the fight at 151 if they were asked.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:36 AM   #1728
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It was his brother, Dan. I like the Miller brothers, but yeah, Dan just isn't that good of a win. Jim, on the other hand, would be a good win for a LW.



I don't know. It might be a bigger upset than Serra/GSP if it were to happen. At least Serra had power (he was known for his grappling, but he did have power). IMO, it would be a bigger upset, but I'm not sure if it would be Vegas-wise.



He didn't say Chael was suddenly deserving.
"I think I'm over the fact of whether he deserves it or not, and I'm getting more realistic with the fact that the fans really want it."

"Does it de-legitimize the belt? I'm going to have to say (it does) in some ways," said Jones, who said a meeting with Dan Henderson was next on his list after Sonnen. "But in some ways it doesn't because this has nothing to do with the belt for me. This is more about putting him into irrelevance."



He's referring to UFC 151 when he asked people to take it on rather short notice. It also ignores the fact that there were a couple guys (Weidman is one off the top of my head) who said they would have taken the fight at 151 if they were asked.
To be fair as little as I think of chael, Weidman has absolutely no business in that conversation.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:51 PM   #1729
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I love Dana but, he's a joke right now.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:33 PM   #1730
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Since this is a MMA related song should have a MMA related face palm.

Arrianey should just stick to being a ring girl or atleast do R rated films showing tits.
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Old 10-18-2012, 05:40 PM   #1731
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Sonnen fans are now officially a detriment to MMA. How is this a good fight? When's the last time Sonnen even fought an LHW? How is a 17-12 MW getting a shot at the Champ? He can't beat Silva, so how does he beat a bigger, faster, stronger, younger version of Silva? But no, this is what the fans supposedly want...please. Rashad Evans would beat him into a coma. Easily.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:45 PM   #1732
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He's referring to UFC 151 when he asked people to take it on rather short notice. It also ignores the fact that there were a couple guys (Weidman is one off the top of my head) who said they would have taken the fight at 151 if they were asked.
yea, he's basically trying to say the post-hendo mad scramble of 151 is the same thing as the logical next candidate for jones at TUF.

as i see it, the two things are almost completely unrelated. but it's all the same thing if you hear dana white tell it.

machida or hendo should have been next if this was currently a sport that made any sense.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:28 PM   #1733
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To be fair as little as I think of chael, Weidman has absolutely no business in that conversation.

He has more business than Chael.

Another thing that Dana seems to be conveniently sidestepping is that the guys who turned down the title shot at 151 did it because not only was it on rather short notice, but also that it might have been their last shot or at least wouldn't get another one for a long time, so they would want time to prepare for it. The way dipshit Dana is talking, he's punishing guys for wanting to actually be prepared for a title shot (which could end up being their last chance)... Dana needs to stop bullshitting so damn much and just admit he gave Chael the shot simply for ratings/PPV buys. But I guess Dana knows nothing but how to bullshit people. FFS, Chael had very, very little to lose and everything to gain by being willing to take that fight on short notice while the other guys who were asked had much more to lose. Oh, but let's praise the hell out of Chael for accepting a title shot handed to him on a silver platter.

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Old 10-18-2012, 09:58 PM   #1734
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Another thing that Dana seems to be conveniently sidestepping is that the guys who turned down the title shot at 151 did it because not only was it on rather short notice, but also that it might have been their last shot or at least wouldn't get another one for a long time, so they would want time to prepare for it. The way dipshit Dana is talking, he's punishing guys for wanting to actually be prepared for a title shot (which could end up being their last chance)... Dana needs to stop bullshitting so damn much and just admit he gave Chael the shot simply for ratings/PPV buys. But I guess Dana knows nothing but how to bullshit people. FFS, Chael had very, very little to lose and everything to gain by being willing to take that fight on short notice while the other guys who were asked had much more to lose. Oh, but let's praise the hell out of Chael for accepting a title shot handed to him on a silver platter.
I totally agree with that. It would've been incredibly stupid for guys like Machida or Shogun to accept that fight on such short notice. They already lost once to Jones. This would be their absolute last chance at the title. You need to be prepared for that kind of a fight.
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:33 PM   #1735
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Dunno about you, but lately it's becoming harder and harder to get excited about zuffa events. Lately it's all cancellations, double-talk, manipulation... god. Point is, it's getting pretty bad. Unprecedented bad I couldn't say because I've only been an MMA fan for about 3-4 years.

Thing is this- whenever anyone, anywhere challenges Dana he keeps going the macho, needlessly-antagonistic response route. Although from all the first-hand accts I've read, he does consistently work his ass off to be the front man, and that should get some respect, I guess.

But, riffing on what Jackass and most of the fighters and MMA writers seem to be saying- Dana is becoming more and more a detriment to MMA than an a resource when reality comes down to reality.

Anyone, anywhere think that Dana is being unfairly persecuted here?
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Old 10-18-2012, 10:53 PM   #1736
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The UFC hit a rather rough patch, but I think there's daylight now. The last event was great. The returns of GSP, Overeem, Nick Diaz and such are coming up. Alvarez might sign with the UFC. There's good events coming up. Strikeforce OTOH...
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:05 AM   #1737
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I have no problem with that. I want Hendo to get a shot, but I have no problem with Evans getting that fight if it's a number 1 contender fight. IMO Evans might end up in a situation like rich Franklin where he's clearly the number 2 guy in his weigh class and yet clearly has nothing for the champ.

Speaking of Franklin, with him about to fight ill point out I absolutely love that guy. Truly would fight anyone, was always willing to trade with guys even though his chin got worse as it got beat on(he started out with a damn good chin or the first silva fight would have been over much quicker). He will be a UFC hofer and a deserving one.


As for weidman, he's beaten Damien Maia who is now a ww and Munoz. Neither one of those exactly screams I'm ready for a title shot in a higher weight class. I honestly don't see much difference between how much him or chael deserves it.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:00 AM   #1738
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so we're gonna get a shad face 2? would have preferred hendo/machida if anything. i said it before but hendo is already in his 40s...he really can't afford to wait around a year or two.



i can agree with the overall sentiment of the last page. i can understand having a balance of drawing power/rankings but lately it just seems like drawing power and money have really taken over and rankings have just become irrelevant.

dana's a promotor and whatever but ya, he really struggles with taking criticism. he always sees it as an attack. i really wonder who is there to keep him in check. then the rest of his 'accounts' are some one sided rhetoric POV shit. fujitas have deep pockets and as long as dana keeps bringing in money, i don't really see a change.

dana's done a great job of bringing ufc to where it's at which is mainstream national spotlight but one has to wonder how much better it would be with some new blood...someone professional and creative at the same time.
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As for weidman, he's beaten Damien Maia who is now a ww and Munoz. Neither one of those exactly screams I'm ready for a title shot in a higher weight class. I honestly don't see much difference between how much him or chael deserves it.

Maia, the same guy who beat Chael. Munoz had a good win streak and was the #3 MW when Weidman beat him. Weidman is 9-0 while Sonnen lost his last fight. Sonnen has already had 2 fairly recent title shots and lost both while Weidman hasn't received one yet. I'm not saying that Weidman is deserving of a title shot at LHW, just that he's more deserving than Chael.
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Damn ... that's gonna be good. Rashad takes a lot of pride in his boxing. I wonder if he's goin to stand-up with Machida.
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