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Old 09-13-2012, 10:19 AM   #1771
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Silva and Jones would be around the same size. If Silva fights GSP he's just cutting pounds for the weigh-in and then fights him at 4 inches taller. GSP would get beat simply because he gets dominated physically. Jones' long arms would be an edge (they always are) but the overall sizes could be close. Plus White is pissed at JJ over 151 and may be looking to find someone that can really threaten him. Silva and Jones may not be given a choice in the matter, much like how Silva didn't want to give Sonnen a rematch.
There is at least as big a size gap between silva/jones as there is between gsp/silva. Honestly I think silva is closer to gsp size wise than jones
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:21 AM   #1772
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Couple of things, one silva has fought much better lhws then Stephan bonnar. That serves no purpose to get him used to the weight.
I don't see any other reason for him to be fighting Bonnar. Bonnar isn't even close to Henderson or Sonnen and Silva is moving up weight class to face him. Why wouldn't they find a better fighter otherwise?

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As for jones vs silva as much as I love and respect silva, I just don't see how that fight is competitive. I know it's not a super fight anymore because he's no longer champ but I'd love to see silva vs a healthy rua though
Silva would be the underdog vs. Jones but don't forget the legacy he has as arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Even if the fight isn't what we'd hope it to be it'd be the most-watched fight UFC could possibly make.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:24 AM   #1773
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There is at least as big a size gap between silva/jones as there is between gsp/silva. Honestly I think silva is closer to gsp size wise than jones
Jones/Silva is 2 inches in height vs. the 4 inches between Silva and GSP. Silva could carry an LHW's 205 and still be in great shape and flexible.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:25 AM   #1774
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I don't see any other reason for him to be fighting Bonnar. Bonnar isn't even close to Henderson or Sonnen and Silva is moving up weight class to face him. Why wouldn't they find a better fighter otherwise?


Silva would be the underdog vs. Jones but don't forget the legacy he has as arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Even if the fight isn't what we'd hope it to be it'd be the most-watched fight UFC could possibly make.
Bonnar honestly isnt that much worse than chael. That said the fight still doesn't make sense.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:33 AM   #1775
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Jones/Silva is 2 inches in height vs. the 4 inches between Silva and GSP. Silva could carry an LHW's 205 and still be in great shape and flexible.
GSP's wingspan is crazy for his height @ 76 inches, Silva 77.5 and Jones 84.5. So there is inch and a half between GSP and Silva while there is 7 inches between Silva and Jones...
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:43 AM   #1776
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GSP's wingspan is crazy for his height @ 76 inches, Silva 77.5 and Jones 84.5. So there is inch and a half between GSP and Silva while there is 7 inches between Silva and Jones...
A fair point that I didn't know that makes me see it a little more your way. But with Silva going up to face Bonnar the Jones fight still seems more likely.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:00 AM   #1777
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A fair point that I didn't know that makes me see it a little more your way. But with Silva going up to face Bonnar the Jones fight still seems more likely.
I'd like to see both matches, but I think that Jones would be too much for Silva. Bigger, great wrestler, huge wingspan while Anderson always had reach advantage at MW. He is skilled enough to pull off an upset because of his amazing striking and elusiveness, but chances are not on his side imo...
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:17 PM   #1778
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I'd like to see both matches, but I think that Jones would be too much for Silva. Bigger, great wrestler, huge wingspan while Anderson always had reach advantage at MW. He is skilled enough to pull off an upset because of his amazing striking and elusiveness, but chances are not on his side imo...
I'd like to see both but given Silvas age and the huge difference in sizes he'd need to be to fight each it's one or the other
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:19 PM   #1779
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Chael is one of the best wrestlers in MMA. Bonnar sucks at everything.
What do you consider one of the best? Top 10? Top 20? Top 100? In terms of overall Mma, im not sure he's top ten
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:44 PM   #1780
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I don't see any other reason for him to be fighting Bonnar. Bonnar isn't even close to Henderson or Sonnen and Silva is moving up weight class to face him. Why wouldn't they find a better fighter otherwise?

the MW division is thin and so much of the roster is injured. there's not many more opponents left for him. it's a pretty craptacular fight but what are you gonna do? i'd much rather see weidman vs silva, but weidman already has a fight scheduled. i believe this has more to do with not having a read opponent for silva than trying to 'prime' him for LHW. he's fought LHW guys before...better than bonnar as well.

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Silva would be the underdog vs. Jones but don't forget the legacy he has as arguably the greatest fighter of all time. Even if the fight isn't what we'd hope it to be it'd be the most-watched fight UFC could possibly make.

and he'd have so much to lose. dana can't force fighters to fight...he even said so himself. would it be a unification title fight? silva could possibly lose his first fight in ufc. there's something about protecting that part of his legacy as well. neither of those guys have interest in fighting each other.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:31 PM   #1781
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the MW division is thin and so much of the roster is injured. there's not many more opponents left for him. it's a pretty craptacular fight but what are you gonna do? i'd much rather see weidman vs silva, but weidman already has a fight scheduled. i believe this has more to do with not having a read opponent for silva than trying to 'prime' him for LHW. he's fought LHW guys before...better than bonnar as well.
I just don't see any other reason to have him fight Bonnar.To me it doesn't make much sense, just more sense than any other reason.
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and he'd have so much to lose. dana can't force fighters to fight...he even said so himself. would it be a unification title fight? silva could possibly lose his first fight in ufc. there's something about protecting that part of his legacy as well. neither of those guys have interest in fighting each other.
However he did it, White got Silva to face Sonnen again when he didn't want to give him a shot. I'm not an expert here but I'm pretty sure that when the UFC wants to give a top Contender a title shot the Champ can't refuse him forever. Plus as prize fighters Jones and Silva will agree to any opponent if you throw enough $ at them.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:07 PM   #1782
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What do you consider one of the best? Top 10? Top 20? Top 100? In terms of overall Mma, im not sure he's top ten
Oh ok i get it now.You just hate Chael.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:16 PM   #1783
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Oh ok i get it now.You just hate Chael.
Hes the most overrated fighter in the UFC. His best win is a contested decision over Michael bisping (I do agree he won though)

As for wrestling. At middleweight I'd probably take Weidmans wrestling over his. He's just not great.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:10 PM   #1784
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sonnen's wrestling is way better than weidman's. just check out how he tossed okami around. that was crazy considering okami's a really good wrestler also.

besides sonnen's win over bisping, his quick sub. of stann is also another big win.

sonnen's not a great fighter by any means, but he's a pretty big draw for the ufc, that's why he constantly in important, meaningful or main event fights.

his wrestling is great, but his stand up isn't, neither is his sub. game, neither is his ground and pound, but he can build up a fight and can be entertaining, which makes the ufc money.

thati's it. it's that simple.
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Old 09-14-2012, 04:32 PM   #1785
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Dan Henderson vs. Lyoto Machida is being set up.
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