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Old 11-01-2012, 09:09 PM   #1981
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Not a good comparison. Machida is a counter fighter and if the other guy doesn't attack him, he's not that exciting. Chael is a pure wrestler that doesn't finish guys and can be reaaaally boring to watch as well. I appreciate the art though.

And Machida.. Lost quite a bit? Not so much better than Chael? Lyoto is 9-3 in the UFC and was a champion at LHW. His only losses came to (former) champions. 3 losses, of which 2 were championshipfights (one as a contender and one as champion) and the other one was vs Rampage when he was still good.

Machida shouldn't have lost that decision to Rampage, either.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:13 PM   #1982
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the other thing is when Chael is on his A game i think he can hang with anyone

What, pumped full of roids while facing an injured opponent? We'll see how he does against Jones. Having a close fight with Bisping and then looking like one of Three Stooges against Silva doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

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Old 11-01-2012, 09:15 PM   #1983
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They both fought their share of cans and they both fought their share of great fighters. I'd take Andy's comp though

It's hard to say, but you can say that at least Silva beat Hendo.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:49 AM   #1984
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i think Chael is relentless with his ground and pound tho, unlike anything i've seen when he's on his game.

I've only seen his UFC fights and his fight with Forrest and his GnP doesn't impress me at all. He has great top control, but his punches don't seem that damaging. Have you ever seen him finish an opponent by GnP? It's like saying Nick Diaz is a one KO artist. Yes, he can control a fight with his boxing, but he never shows that one hit KO power.

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i agree he is boring to watch at times but i prefer him as the lesser of 2 evils between him and Machida. i honestly hate watching Machida fight even if its effective. i don't think straight comparisons in terms of their losses is a fair judge, more than comparing their styles vs their competition, and i think Chael generally has the better chance of beating the Silva's or Jon Jones with his ground game. the other thing is when Chael is on his A game i think he can hang with anyone, but thats the problem too given how often he's looked bad bringing his D game. i also like how Chael talks trash and makes it more personal, like how Jon Jones wants to kill him now

Can't comment on personal preference. I think Chael isn't that fun too watch at all. He is a wrestler, that isn't good at finishing fights and relies on his top control mostly. Props to him for being succesfull though.

Chael can't "hang" with anyone and I don't know what makes you believe that. He subbed Stann and that was his best win in a while. The Bisping fight was really close and he couldnt hang with Silva in their second fight. Also, the first fight was boring as hell if it wasn't Sonnen vs Silva, great top control and weak GnP from Sonnen. His fight vs Nate was almost 3 years ago and that was a good win. Chael wins his fights by outwrestling his opponents. Vs guys with good TDD and/or good submission skills, he is screwed.

Lyoto can hang with anyone. He lost to the best LHW ever, Jones, and to Rua, after he won a close fight against him and a questionable decision vs Page, a perrenial contender (who has fallen off a bit).
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Old 11-02-2012, 09:24 AM   #1985
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i don't know why people here dog Chael so much while trying to prop Machida. Machida has lost quite a bit as well, and he's not so much better than Chael imo. he's so boring to watch too

i'll give Hendo credit since he's been a beast.
I know its your opinion, How is Machida boring?
Lyoto Machida is one of the most unique and entertaining fighters in the UFC. He is real life video game fighter. Just because he doesnt swing wildly like Hendo doesnt mean he is boring. His feints, his ability to lure fighters into his trap. Lyoto Machida is the definition of what pure high level technique can do even while facing stronger forms of martial arts.
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Godzuki being Godzuki ... which is being a dumbass & a stupid F***.
"Machida is boring to watch .... " LOLz.

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I know its your opinion, How is Machida boring?
Lyoto Machida is one of the most unique and entertaining fighters in the UFC. He is real life video game fighter. Just because he doesnt swing wildly like Hendo doesnt mean he is boring. His feints, his ability to lure fighters into his trap. Lyoto Machida is the definition of what pure high level technique can do even while facing stronger forms of martial arts.

He's a troll.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:03 AM   #1988
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Godzuki being Godzuki ... which is being a dumbass & a stupid F***.
"Machida is boring to watch .... " LOLz.

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i honestly don't get why its always the biggest poohsies here talking shit to me i mean it could be so many people, and its always the biggest weaklings, why is that? the other consistent trait is they're always "laker" or "kobe" handle fgts...go figure.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:07 AM   #1989
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I've only seen his UFC fights and his fight with Forrest and his GnP doesn't impress me at all. He has great top control, but his punches don't seem that damaging. Have you ever seen him finish an opponent by GnP? It's like saying Nick Diaz is a one KO artist. Yes, he can control a fight with his boxing, but he never shows that one hit KO power.



Can't comment on personal preference. I think Chael isn't that fun too watch at all. He is a wrestler, that isn't good at finishing fights and relies on his top control mostly. Props to him for being succesfull though.

Chael can't "hang" with anyone and I don't know what makes you believe that. He subbed Stann and that was his best win in a while. The Bisping fight was really close and he couldnt hang with Silva in their second fight. Also, the first fight was boring as hell if it wasn't Sonnen vs Silva, great top control and weak GnP from Sonnen. His fight vs Nate was almost 3 years ago and that was a good win. Chael wins his fights by outwrestling his opponents. Vs guys with good TDD and/or good submission skills, he is screwed.

Lyoto can hang with anyone. He lost to the best LHW ever, Jones, and to Rua, after he won a close fight against him and a questionable decision vs Page, a perrenial contender (who has fallen off a bit).


i think he can drop bombs, but unfortunately oftentimes doesn't connect with them. like in the first Silva fight where a lot of people were criticizing his finish capabilities because he dominated Silva and couldn't finish him, but if you watch that fight he's dropping ridiculous hammer fists and elbows just missing by inches. thats why i think Silva got so lucky to dodge all of those, altho i'm sure people will say it was Silva's natural awareness. altho i'll give you there is probably something to the fact that he generally hasn't been able to finish opponents by and large, i'm just saying that power is there if you really look at what he's throwing at times.

i can't stand watching Machida's constant retreat-counter standup all match. granted he's had some fights or moments where he goes toe to toe but its rare, and thats probably one of the most underrated things about Machida is his body strength when that happens. but his main fighting style is sooooo boring to me to watch where it basically forces both fighters to be feinting 3/4's of the match, because they're so scared to get countered, and Machida is going to keep backing away. hate that shit. then again i can't stand watching MAyweather fight either

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lol and you're a nobody trying to get a trolls attention i guess since nobody cares about your thoughts. i swear its people like you that try to get attention off of people like me
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lol and you're a nobody trying to get a trolls attention i guess since nobody cares about your thoughts. i swear its people like you that try to get attention off of people like me


Trust me ... if I wanted attention, I would start a feud against Zen, or kiss his ass everyday. But No lol.
And this is a F**** forum why would I wanna do that?
You're just tellin me that you dont have a life, and take ISH way too serious.

I was just keepin it real. You're a dumbass
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i honestly don't get why its always the biggest poohsies here talking shit to me i mean it could be so many people, and its always the biggest weaklings, why is that? the other consistent trait is they're always "laker" or "kobe" handle fgts...go figure.


LOL ... Everyone hates you and they tolerate you. They go with your flow.

I DON'T.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:28 AM   #1993
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What, pumped full of roids while facing an injured opponent? We'll see how he does against Jones. Having a close fight with Bisping and then looking like one of Three Stooges against Silva doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


i still don't believe roids were the only thing that made Chael good like a lot of his critics act. to me he's one of those white guy wrestlers you'd never want to face knowing they'll always be in tip top shape and never stop pounding or getting tired and lose that way, where you'll have to either hope you KO/sub him early or go thru hell trying to win a decision. theres a lot of fighters you're not sure how fit they're going to come in or blow their load early and it becomes a joke after that. Chael may get subbed too often, but he's as workhorse pounder as they come out of any fighter i've seen in MMA.

like i said it really depends on which game he brings since imo his A game can hang with anyone, and most suited to counter the great standup fighters like Silva and Jon Jones.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:37 AM   #1994
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LOL ... Everyone hates you and they tolerate you. They go with your flow.

I DON'T.


i've got 5 green stacks so you obviously aren't speaking for everyone. i also make points with reasoning in everything i state here, nor am i some lame homer fgt like you are attacking people who diss kobe/machida/whomever, nor do i attack anyone until they attack me just like now. i mind my own business and make my points, and reply sincerely to people who post towards me respectfully. like i said its always lil butthurt fgts like you that are always trying to get attention off of opinionated people like me since nobody pays attention to your bitch ass. otherwise you'd have me on ignore if i'm such a troll....to me you're just like DFish or that other butthurt fgt i can't remember now, wouldn't even be surprised if they were your alt you hide behind to attack me with. in fact it'd be typical of your lame personality here.

by all means feel free to put me on ignore even tho i bet you won't. f'n poohsee.
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Trust me ... if I wanted attention, I would start a feud against Zen, or kiss his ass everyday. But No lol.
And this is a F**** forum why would I wanna do that?
You're just tellin me that you dont have a life, and take ISH way too serious.

I was just keepin it real. You're a dumbass


FYI the only troll here is you in this thread. it seems the rest of us are talking MMA. maybe you should gtfo? the only one ruining it seems to be you....i hear your momz calling for u to clean your room fgt
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