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Old 10-17-2012, 09:55 AM   #2086
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chael's last three of five fights have been title fights...this after losing the first two title fights. now he gets a shot in a totally different weight division. he hasn't even fought LHW in years. i think it's lame that neither machida or hendo get the next shot. hendo isn't getting any younger here.

moreover, chael got to #1 contender fights by beating jim miller and okami. okami has struggled mightily with wrestlers. miller? well, i'll just let you look up his 'signature' wins.

who actually thinks chael has a chance? i give him less of a chance than vitor. even if he is able to get jones down, i don't see how he's able to keep him there. let's say he does...not like his gnp puts guys away. how does he win? you think jones lets it get to a decision? i guess jones saying chael 'wasn't deserving' didn't matter much either. dude says one thing and does another, yet again. i guess now he's deserving despite not having any fights since.

let's be real...not many real fans want to see jones fight guys outside machida/hendo/andy. not many real fans want to see andy fight guys outside gsp/jones/weidman. the rest of this is filler.

chael has a better chance than most fighters if he brings his A game. his style matches up better to Silva and Jon Jones than most, even if people want to think he was only good because he juiced. Jon Jones may be good standing and on the ground, but if he's going to get beat i figure its not going to be from stand up.
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Old 10-17-2012, 10:03 AM   #2087
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chael has a better chance than most fighters if he brings his A game. his style matches up better to Silva and Jon Jones than most, even if people want to think he was only good because he juiced. Jon Jones may be good standing and on the ground, but if he's going to get beat i figure its not going to be from stand up.

jones' takedown defense is better than silva's though. his wrestling can simply neutralize sonnen's. hell....you can argue jones is the better wrestler overall. i just don't see how sonnen keeps jones on his back and finishes him. how often have we even seen jones on his back for a long time? sonnen will beat him on the ground? the guy that has one submission victory in the ufc? the rest of his victories are decisions. this is just a bad matchup for him. he doesn't have the size advantage at all to make it work like it did vs. silva.

this is a money fight. that is all.

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Old 10-17-2012, 10:22 AM   #2088
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his takedown defense is better than silva's though. his wrestling can simply neutralize sonnen's. hell....you can argue jones is the better wrestler overall. i just don't see how he keeps jones on his back and finishes him. how often have we even seen jones on his back for a long time? sonnen will beat him on the ground? the guy that has one submission victory in the ufc? the rest of his victories are decisions.


when Sonnen is on his game nobody is more relentless on the ground. at least i've never seen anybody that is as nonstop, working somebody over ground and pound like chael. i don't think most fighters have a shot at all standing against jon jones reach, which leaves his ground game as the only thing a fighter will last working if he can somehow maintain control.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #2089
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I'm wondering if Dana's gonna somehow try to use Chael as a pawn to start steering Jones vs. Silva into happening. Have Sonnen start going off about how much better one is than the other once he's fought them both etc. We've already seen that Chael can get under both guys skin pretty damn easily, and having the entire Ultimate Fighter season practically secluded with Jones to work his magic might be what Dana is counting on.

Just funny that he makes this decision less than a week after promising that he WOULD make Jones vs. Silva happen
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:58 PM   #2090
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dana just said all the top contenders turned down a fight with jones. ok, i guess that makes a little more sense.

Jones not worried about Sonnen's wrestling. "He was a freakin' [Olympic] alternate." "Who cares if he gets me down, he's getting submitted."

ya, just an olympic alternate....as if that's nothing noteworthy
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #2091
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looks like they will be switching TUF out of the friday slot

that plus the new coaches, should help quite a bit
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:13 PM   #2092
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dana just said all the top contenders turned down a fight with jones. ok, i guess that makes a little more sense.

Jones not worried about Sonnen's wrestling. "He was a freakin' [Olympic] alternate." "Who cares if he gets me down, he's getting submitted."

ya, just an olympic alternate....as if that's nothing noteworthy


no way Chael takes Jones down...

MMA Wrestling is not the same as standard wrestling...
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:16 PM   #2093
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What do you guys think of Brock Lesnar's MMA run?
He went 5-3 and was on a 4 winning streak with wins against frank mir, heath herring, randy courture and shane carwin.

For me, yeah he was a bit overhyped but I was always pumped up for his fights because he was always exciting too watch! I think his run was pretty impressive for someone who barely had MMA training and was a WWE superstar half of his life.


pretty good for a guy who basically took up MMA later in his athletic prime as just a hobby.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:24 PM   #2094
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no way Chael takes Jones down...

MMA Wrestling is not the same as standard wrestling...

if you read my previous posts, i'm mostly in agreement. even if he is able to take jones down, how does chael win? he'll get subbed before he can ride out a decision. i really can't see him keeping top control.

i just thought it was funny that jones shrugged off being an olympic alternate as if it was nothing. you're a damn elite wrestler if you become an olympic alternate.

might as well say, 'he only won a freakin' bronze medal'.

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Old 10-17-2012, 06:36 PM   #2095
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if you read my previous posts, i'm mostly in agreement. even if he is able to take jones down, how does chael win? he'll get subbed before he can ride out a decision. i really can't see him keeping top control.

i just thought it was funny that jones shrugged off being an olympic alternate as if it was nothing. you're a damn elite wrestler if you become an olympic alternate.

might as well say, 'he only won a freakin' bronze medal'.

I hink jones is viewing it from this perspective...

"I (Jones) am in my Peak...I am arguably the best overall Fighter in MMA....I also am a great wrestler....I have a much more deverse style then Sonnen"

Imagine if Lebron and Durant were on the same team....and the won 5 NBA Titles in a row....

but then they (thier team) had to play the Argentine National team(after ARG won a gold medal)....they would understand that they were a good team...But Bron and Durant know they(there team) are just way better..

Sonnen is a great wrestler...Jones is a great wrestler...

but Jones has proven to be a much better MMA Fighter...and shrugged off Chael Olympic history...just as Brons team would shrug off a Argentinian team.

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just 5 months ago...

after jon jones DUI

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Old 10-17-2012, 07:03 PM   #2097
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Jones is a better Mma wrestler than chael. This will get ugly
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:25 PM   #2098
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Jones is a better Mma wrestler than chael. This will get ugly


only true if you're judging him by his poor fights. he's looked as dominating a wrestler there is in MMA in his good ones...and i still don't think it was purely based on roids. i also think he could tire Jones out and win that way if Chael brings his A game and doesn't get caught.
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Nothing could make me happier than Chael winning this fight. And I like Jones, I mean he'sa ******, but he's entertaining as hell.
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only true if you're judging him by his poor fights. he's looked as dominating a wrestler there is in MMA in his good ones...and i still don't think it was purely based on roids. i also think he could tire Jones out and win that way if Chael brings his A game and doesn't get caught.


yes he is a great wrestler and does dominate other opponents..

but not against someone like Jon Jones.

2 factors I'm basing my opinion on.

#1. Jones is a great wrestler also...and has never been taken down ....factor in fighting Rashad Evans, Matt Hammil, Jake O'Brien and Ryan Bader..all great wrestlers..

#2. Jones will have a huge reach advantage and athletic advantage(speed , quikness)..he can keep his range and still effectively hit Chael.

this will be an easy win for Bones....a tune up fight for possibly the Spider....

In no universe will Sonnen beat Jones or even hurt him.

but you never know.....it's never over even when it's over.
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