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Old 11-02-2012, 03:29 PM   #2161
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Bonnar has tested positive for steroids after his Silva fight
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:46 PM   #2162
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:31 PM   #2163
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Honestly I would probably juice too, if I was fighting Anderson Silva.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:14 PM   #2164
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'I guess now that Bonnar has retired his punishment shouldn't be suspension - he should be made to face Silva again!'


Dave Herman failed the tests too. He's soo getting cut.

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Old 11-03-2012, 03:27 AM   #2166
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:20 AM   #2167
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like i said it really depends on which game he brings since imo his A game can hang with anyone, and most suited to counter the great standup fighters like Silva and Jon Jones.

Too bad they're both good grapplers. Jones has never been taken down in his UFC career. Evans said he did it plenty in practice and wouldn't have any trouble doing it in their fight, but he went 0-for-4.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:22 AM   #2168
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fedor fought three cans at the very end, but i disagree that he made a habit of it through his career. like many great fighters / boxers, he made a lot of opponents look silly in retrospect, but at the time those matches were made they were pretty much all desirable / logical matchups. also, near the end, he was greatly hampered by most of the talent being in the UFC.

His fights against Zulu, 2nd Coleman fight, Hunt, Lindland, HMC, and Sylvia weren't logical/desirable match ups.

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yup... roids didn't make him a HOF wrestler, and other than his failure to properly declare them the one time, TRT is currently an acceptable practice for aging men with decreased natural testosterone. he's not the only one to use them, but on the whole he clearly is very good at what he does. and you don't get to be the #2 MW in the world based on nothing but roids.

The need for TRT is likely after years of steroid abuse. There are an abnormally high percentage of fighters on it.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:40 AM   #2169
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His fights against Zulu, 2nd Coleman fight, Hunt, Lindland, HMC, and Sylvia weren't logical/desirable match ups.
why not? the HW division was never deep, and UFC fighters weren't available. coleman and sylvia were both former champions, hunt was a badass in his prime, and zulu and HMC were both entertaining as hell.


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The need for TRT is likely after years of steroid abuse. There are an abnormally high percentage of fighters on it.
granted, although technically that's only one possibility. AFAIK the others are:

2) endocrine dysfunction due primarily to genetic factors.
3) decreased testosterone levels due primarily to age.


meanwhile you firmly remain an overeem fan, i take it?
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:14 AM   #2170
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His fights against Zulu, 2nd Coleman fight, Hunt, Lindland, HMC, and Sylvia weren't logical/desirable match ups.
Coleman was still decent at the time.Hunts only loss at that time was to big nog and Sylvia wasnt the joke he is today.

Anyways World Series of Fighting is on today on NBC sports channel.

Arvlowski vs Cole is the main event.Also Miguel Torres,JZ,Tyrone Spong,Anthony"Rumble" Johnson and others are on the card.Good card if you get the channel.

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Old 11-03-2012, 02:07 PM   #2171
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Coleman was still decent at the time.Hunts only loss at that time was to big nog and Sylvia wasnt the joke he is today.

Anyways World Series of Fighting is on today on NBC sports channel.

Arvlowski vs Cole is the main event.Also Miguel Torres,JZ,Tyrone Spong,Anthony"Rumble" Johnson and others are on the card.Good card if you get the channel.
Thanks for the heads up, just DVRd it.

Lets see how Spong's world class striking translates to MMA. Anthony is probably fighting at Rumbleweight, hope he can make it.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:23 PM   #2172
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why not? the HW division was never deep, and UFC fighters weren't available. coleman and sylvia were both former champions

Coleman was champ briefly in the '90s. He was getting up there in age, had already lost to Fedor, and just wasn't that good. Sylvia was champ of a paperthin UFC HW division. He was overrated for a long time, and he was 1-2 in his 3 previous fights before facing Fedor. He didn't look good in those fights, especially against Couture who came out of retirement after getting KO'd twice at LHW to dominate Sylvia for 5 rounds.

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Hunt was slow and one-dimensional, which is why he lost 6 in a row. Also, he wasn't very experienced in MMA when he fought Fedor.

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and zulu and HMC were both entertaining as hell.

How so? Both were big/fat, slow as hell, lumbering beasts. I laughed at the Fedor ******gers who tried to build HMC up as a legit threat. That was basically HMC's 1st MMA fight. It was ridiculous that he was facing Fedor. It was nothing more than a stupid freakshow fight. Neither guy had any business fighting Fedor. Entertaining fights? They were both very short fights. Combined, they lasted under 2 and a half minutes.

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granted, although technically that's only one possibility. AFAIK the others are:

2) endocrine dysfunction due primarily to genetic factors.
3) decreased testosterone levels due primarily to age.

There are an abnormal number of MMA fighters on it.

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meanwhile you firmly remain an overeem fan, i take it?


Yeah, and?

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Old 11-03-2012, 07:39 PM   #2173
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Coleman was still decent at the time.Hunts only loss at that time was to big nog and Sylvia wasnt the joke he is today.

Coleman wasn't that good. He was just lucky that Shogun suffered a freak injury in their fight. Coleman semi-retired after that fight. Hunt never faced Big Nog. He had losses to Barnett and Yoshida. Sylvia wasn't the joke back then, but he still wasn't looking that good at the time. He got thoroughly dominated by a guy who retired after getting KO'd twice at 205, then had a close fight with Vera, and then got subbed by Zombie Nog as soon as the fight hit the mat.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:59 PM   #2174
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@jackass,
i guess those are fair points. still doesn't change the fact that the HW division was never deep and several worthy names simply weren't available to fedor. but i never got the impression that he ever dodged anyone, either. and i still say that HMC and zulu were entertaining matchups. as in, a fight doesn't always have to be classic for the ages in order to be an entertaining event. fact remains that they were fun matchups, there was anticipation in the air, and a good bit of mystique about what would happen. you seem to be a little myopic about the fact that plenty of other champion fighters and boxers went through this same process. doesn't necessarily mean those champs were fighting cans.

of course i know you love to nitpick every little thing to death, so i'll just concede you the field on this issue. it's either that or get in to a 15-post exchange in which you minutely quote and critique every other thought the other person has.


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i guess those are fair points. still doesn't change the fact that the HW division was never deep and several worthy names simply weren't available to fedor. but i never got the impression that he ever dodged anyone, either.


He kind of avoided the UFC by getting into bed with the stupid M-1 org and sticking with them and their nonsense.

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and i still say that HMC and zulu were entertaining matchups.

They were shitty freakshow fights that shouldn't have taken place, but I guess the integrity of the sport means nothing, right? You don't really gain anything in those matchups, but one of your top guys could take a huge hit were he to somehow lose. Why not just throw Jose Canseco, Herschel Walker, Shaq, JCVD, The Undertaker, Kevin James or someone like that in there with JDS?

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The only anticipation was from Fedor nuthuggers who pretended like those were legit match ups. Suddenly, HMC is a 10-foot tall, fire-breathing behemoth that only Fedor could beat. Anticipation for the #1 HW going against a slow, uncoordinated kickboxer with no MMA experience and against a 600 lb sack of shit who fought nothing but cans?

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you seem to be a little myopic about the fact that plenty of other champion fighters and boxers went through this same process. doesn't necessarily mean those champs were fighting cans.

What in the hell am I being myopic about? What same process? Fighting a can while you try to sugarcoat it and make the opponent out to be much more than what he really is?

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of course i know you love to nitpick every little thing to death, so i'll just concede you the field on this issue. it's either that or get in to a 15-post exchange in which you minutely quote and critique every other thought the other person has.

The fuck is the point of making any posts in the first place if you don't want anything to be discussed, and you're just going to cry and run away from what you posted? It's not my fault that you can't handle someone disagreeing with you on anything. "those matches were made they were pretty much all desirable / logical matchups." No they fucking weren't. Fedor went through a stretch of facing guys that he shouldn't have been fighting. He's the top fighter in the world and yet he's fighting guys with little to no experience, a middleweight, an over-the-hill guy he already beat, and bums like Sylvia. Grow some thicker skin. People can disagree with you.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to get.
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