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Old 02-21-2013, 03:57 AM   #2971
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Bit suprised they cut Paul Sass as well, I know he lost a couple but imo he was a fairly exciting ground fighter, other than Fitch the rest deserved to get cut imo
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:40 AM   #2972
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Fitch is a gamer. He comes in with a gameplan and executes it. People may call him boring, but I think it proves how good of a fighter he is. Thing is, he was (from what I've read) overpaid and currently not a contender. This cut gives the UFC to resign him in the future for less money.


Great points. If you're not a contender then you're not necesary. Anyone who is clearly not beating GSP and is not exciting (selling fights) then why keep them around on a big contract. Even though some new guys they are brining in may not be as good as Fitch they still have the potential and until they lost to the champ are more valuable. Same reason in NFL guys like Matt Flynn get a big contract, gotta go after potential than proven quantity of just being good but never great.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:31 AM   #2973
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Great points. If you're not a contender then you're not necesary. Anyone who is clearly not beating GSP and is not exciting (selling fights) then why keep them around on a big contract. Even though some new guys they are brining in may not be as good as Fitch they still have the potential and until they lost to the champ are more valuable. Same reason in NFL guys like Matt Flynn get a big contract, gotta go after potential than proven quantity of just being good but never great.
I don't even remotely agree with this. Not being the best in the world doesn't mean you should be cut. By that logic, the UFC should cut everyone that loses a title shot convincingly. The problem is you need people for these up and comers to fight to both prove they are ready for a title shot and get them ready for a title shot. You can't go from fighting bums or other unproven guys to fighting the best in the world and expect any kind of success. There is no valid reason to cut Fitch and this shows why the UFC shouldn't be allowed to enjoy the monopoly it currently does without a fighters union to counter balance it.

Edit. And what if gsp loses to someone else. You'll need other people for the new champ to fight. You really want a top 5 ww to be off the list of options?

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Old 02-21-2013, 01:02 PM   #2974
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Fitch is a gamer. He comes in with a gameplan and executes it. People may call him boring, but I think it proves how good of a fighter he is. Thing is, he was (from what I've read) overpaid and currently not a contender. This cut gives the UFC to resign him in the future for less money.

I feel bad for the guy. Remember after the Erik Silva fight, in which he was great, how he was talking to his wife at home, saying that he was finally coming home with some money. damn. Your ****in with a man's livelihood and based on his results/skills he did not deserve to be cut. Hope to see him back in the UFC soon.
Jon fitch has earned over a million dollars in his UFC tenure, his fight with Thiago ALves earned him over 100k, I think his cut had to do with his high salary and his boring style. I believe we will see him back with a restructured salary after 2-3 wins in a smaller org.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:03 PM   #2975
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This could/should mean that bellator will take up the old pride spot as a legit 2nd option to UFC.

And the exciting thing is just.... Stupid if you want to be considered a real sport you can't say that you cut people because they aren't exciting even if they are clearly better than others you kept on the roster. You'd never hear a team in the nba, MLB, or nfl cut someone and say yeah he's awesome but he's not entertaining.


- He should have never been cut. But he wasn't a big draw yet had been in the UFC for countless years and his pay was huge for the little amount of people he pulled in.

In other words if he had the same everything but less pay he'd probably be kept. For now he isn't worth it. No matter how ridiculous it seems to cut a top-ten WW

That's how it works in the NFL when a player has a big contract they're not living up to.


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- a team sport that has been around for over 70 years.....vs a 1 vs 1 combat sport that has been around since 1993 and only on mainstream cable since 07'????

- The NBA promotes it's stars, it Functions off the back of superstars, over an 82 game season and a 20 - 30 game post season........

- UFC rely's on promoting Fighters.....on an average of 10 fighters cards per year....fighters usually only fight 1 - 3 times a year.

- That means the UFC is in a position to Focus and promote the most exciting Match ups to get the most people to watch....they have little room for error.

- PS: to the other guy who postd Duncan.....he is a 4XChampion?.....I guarantee if Fitch was a 2X champion he would prolly not get cut.( and both are totally 2 different sports....)

heck...he will prolly be back soon anyways.....Fitch is a great fighter....he's not good enough to be the champion, but he is good enough to make some of the best Fighters look bad...

problem is...most people take smoke breaks when his Fights are on.

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Old 02-21-2013, 01:10 PM   #2976
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:20 PM   #2977
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:36 PM   #2978
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guys what are your predictions this Sat?

Do you see a Hendo upset of Machida or is he to fast for Dan.

Will we see Liz upset Ronda?
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:01 PM   #2979
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guys what are your predictions this Sat?

Do you see a Hendo upset of Machida or is he to fast for Dan.

Will we see Liz upset Ronda?
machida's style feels like it would be too frustrating for hendo over the span of a full fight. then again, one mistake against dan and it could be all over. it will definitely be interesting to see how their trainers have prepared them against all that, however.


scaramouche, scaramouche... i would LOVE to see pull the fandango against that obnoxious c--t. plus, just to ruin DFW's plans. but #1, it's just not happening and #2, it wouldn't be too good for womens' MMA. so i'll just grit my teeth on that one and call it a day.
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Old 02-21-2013, 07:09 PM   #2980
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I'd love to see Dana's face if Rhonda loses.
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guys what are your predictions this Sat?

Do you see a Hendo upset of Machida or is he to fast for Dan.

Will we see Liz upset Ronda?


Main card..


Women's Bantamweight Championship: Ronda Rousey (c) vs. Liz Carmouche - Carmouche by UD



Light Heavyweight Bout: Lyoto Machida vs. Dan Henderson - Machida by UD



Bantamweight Bout: Urijah Faber vs. Ivan Menjivar - Faber by UD



Welterweight Bout: Court McGee vs. Josh Neer - Mcgee by TKO



Welterweight Bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Robbie Lawler - Koscheck by arm triangle.
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I'd love to see Dana's face if Rhonda loses.

That'd be brutal. Who doesn't love Rousey? She's a superstar. Even though Dana acted like he didn't care who won, we all know how he really feels.
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should be interesting if Dana ever arrives lol
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That'd be brutal. Who doesn't love Rousey? She's a superstar. Even though Dana acted like he didn't care who won, we all know how he really feels.
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