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Old 01-08-2012, 12:36 AM   #706
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So do you think SF is gonna last on its own or will the top names just get absorbed and the company folds?
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Old 01-08-2012, 12:51 AM   #707
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They signed a 2 year contract with showtime so they will still be around.All the heavyweights are going to the UFC and it looks like the winner of the GP fights frank mir for the #1 contender for the UFC belt.

No other fighters can go to the ufc.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:10 PM   #708
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Anderson hurt his back, will probably be out even longer.

Florian also hurt his back and may have to retire, but who cares.

Yeah I thought Florian already retired

On a different note though, here's a pretty interesting read from ESPN about the salaries of the UFC guys. UFC's getting HUGE over the past few years but aside from a handful of fighters, salaries aren't budging.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...ainful-hit-all

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LAS VEGAS -- UFC fighters are among the toughest athletes competing in sports. Fiercely competitive, they enter the octagon knowing they could be cut, bruised or placed in submission holds that could render them temporarily unconscious. With each fight, they run the risk of suffering career-ending injuries.

But mentioning "fighter pay" to this same group of men brings forth a completely different side. They become consumed with fear. Flight instincts take over.

"Career suicide," one current fighter said when approached by "Outside the Lines" for comment.

"It would be the end of my career," said another current fighter, a former champion, when asked for an on-the-record interview about the UFC's fighter pay scale.

The men who run the Ultimate Fighting Championship are benefiting from unprecedented revenue growth -- the company purchased rival Strikeforce in March for $34 million, further tightening its stranglehold on the mixed martial arts industry. Recently, the UFC inked a seven-year deal worth a reported $100 million annually with FOX, its first significant broadcast agreement with a major network.

The UFC, $44 million in debt as recently as 2005, according to chief executive officer Lorenzo Fertitta, is today widely believed by industry insiders to be worth north of a billion dollars.

While paydays for top draws like Anderson Silva and Georges St. Pierre can run into the millions (St. Pierre recently told Agence France-Presse he earns between $4 million and $5 million per fight), entry-level fighters who compete under the banner of the UFC do so for as little as $6,000 if they fail to win their first match.

"We're basically fighting for crumbs," said one current UFC fighter, a veteran of more than a dozen years in the sport who also asked that his name be withheld for fear of reprisals from UFC management.

"The top 5 percent [of fighters] are definitely making good money, but you've got to look at the guys at the bottom of the card," the fighter said. "They can't fight anywhere else. If they make $10,000 a fight and fight every six months, they can't make ends meet."

"We're definitely not getting our fair share of the cash," said another fighter currently under contract with the UFC. A fan favorite, he, too, refused to be named, citing concerns about the reaction from UFC management.

"Any opposition, they [expletive] crush it," said the fighter. "Until somebody starts a union, we're all sort of at their mercy."


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After examining pay-per-view numbers, live gate proceeds and other revenue streams, Maysey estimates the UFC has annual revenues between $350 million and $450 million.

Yet the median per fight income for fighters remains low, between $17,000 and $23,000, figures he said he obtained from his many conversations with current fighters.

Opinions? Do you see a union forming up anytime soon?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:03 PM   #709
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Anthony Johnson missed weight by 11 pounds?

Holy shit he needs to fire whoever was preparing him for this fight. How the hell does that even happen?
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Old 01-13-2012, 11:45 PM   #710
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Anthony Johnson missed weight by 11 pounds?

Holy shit he needs to fire whoever was preparing him for this fight. How the hell does that even happen?
Yeah what a moron and he actually did that multiple times, dana said win or lose his job is on the line
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Old 01-13-2012, 11:55 PM   #711
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11 lbs over weight in a bout where he moves one division up? I just saw his wiki page and he has had 3 catchweight fights which most likely means this is his 3rd ufc fight failing to cut appropriately. This is a must win for him, given the circumstance his in, it's reasonable to fire him if he loses.
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Old 01-14-2012, 07:43 AM   #712
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Opinions? Do you see a union forming up anytime soon?

I don't see it happening anytime soon. Hell, those fighters are too scared to even speak out. They'd need some of the top guys to make a stand, but if the top guys are getting paid well, then there's not much motivation for them to make a stand (granted, they could go stand up for their teammates, but that's less motivating).
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Old 01-14-2012, 08:15 AM   #713
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Anderson hurt his back, will probably be out even longer.

I think father time is starting to hit Silva. Anderson Silva is 37 years old. I dont want to see him retire but i have feeling he might be retiring soon.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:46 PM   #714
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I don't see it happening anytime soon. Hell, those fighters are too scared to even speak out. They'd need some of the top guys to make a stand, but if the top guys are getting paid well, then there's not much motivation for them to make a stand (granted, they could go stand up for their teammates, but that's less motivating).
this recent article went into depth on this issue, as well as the ridiculously low pay the average UFC fighter earns.

dana white is trying to spin this idea that the UFC splits its money roughly 50-50 with the players the way the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL do, but that doesn't make a lick of sense to me. because it was only through powerful unions and agents that the salaries in those other sports blew up to the levels they are now, probably around $4m/yr on average.

meanwhile, the average UFC fighter makes around $20k/yr according to the founder of the MMAFA.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:59 PM   #715
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I've heard that the ESPN piece is horrible journalism. Using Ken Shamrock makes it lose quite a bit of credibility.
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:53 PM   #716
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i thought the the counter-ESPN video was supposed to have come out days ago. how long does it take to publish a straight video interview, anyway? besides which, the basis for this article revolves around many sources and interviews, not any particular one.

funny that it's also co-written by josh gross, one of the top journalists in the sport and one of the many people that dana white would like to have murdered.

regardless, very little of any bad-mouthing about this piece means much to me since the article is basically telling us things that we already knew...

does the MMA union situation totally suck? are fighters scared to speak out against zuffa? is the average pay quite low? yup, we already knew these kinds of things. but now there's a little more ink and coverage devoted to these issues. personally i think that's a good thing.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:50 PM   #717
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funny that it's also co-written by josh gross, one of the top journalists in the sport and one of the many people that dana white would like to have murdered.

Yeah, it's by a bunch of people that have an agenda. A lot of fighters told ESPN to fuck off.
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:13 PM   #718
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how is an agenda to do an expose' a bad thing in this case? i say it's a good thing, and will help move the sport forward.

of course a lot of fighters told ESPN to flup off. say the wrong thing, and they're dropped like a hot potato, or have white develop a grudge against them. that's the whole point- they're nervous.
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:19 PM   #719
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An agenda is bad when it twists everything to fit the agenda and doesn't present the truth.

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of course a lot of fighters told ESPN to flup off. say the wrong thing, and they're dropped like a hot potato, or have white develop a grudge against them. that's the whole point- they're nervous.

They could have done it under the cover of anonymity.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:02 AM   #720
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An agenda is bad when it twists everything to fit the agenda and doesn't present the truth.
agree, but what is your basis for saying it's a 'bad' agenda in this case? one single interview which dana white claims was taken out of context?


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They could have done it under the cover of anonymity.
clearly many did and many were too nervous to. should that be any surprise?
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