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Old 01-15-2012, 07:46 PM   #871
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I don't see it happening anytime soon. Hell, those fighters are too scared to even speak out. They'd need some of the top guys to make a stand, but if the top guys are getting paid well, then there's not much motivation for them to make a stand (granted, they could go stand up for their teammates, but that's less motivating).
this recent article went into depth on this issue, as well as the ridiculously low pay the average UFC fighter earns.

dana white is trying to spin this idea that the UFC splits its money roughly 50-50 with the players the way the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL do, but that doesn't make a lick of sense to me. because it was only through powerful unions and agents that the salaries in those other sports blew up to the levels they are now, probably around $4m/yr on average.

meanwhile, the average UFC fighter makes around $20k/yr according to the founder of the MMAFA.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:59 PM   #872
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I've heard that the ESPN piece is horrible journalism. Using Ken Shamrock makes it lose quite a bit of credibility.
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:24 PM   #873
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I've heard that the ESPN piece is horrible journalism. Using Ken Shamrock makes it lose quite a bit of credibility.

yeah it was clearly agenda driven, and they cut out lot of lorenzo's interview.
but ufc did have a crew there and also video recorded the whole thing

so they are gonna release their own piece with showing all the things that espn cut out. should be interesting
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:53 PM   #874
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i thought the the counter-ESPN video was supposed to have come out days ago. how long does it take to publish a straight video interview, anyway? besides which, the basis for this article revolves around many sources and interviews, not any particular one.

funny that it's also co-written by josh gross, one of the top journalists in the sport and one of the many people that dana white would like to have murdered.

regardless, very little of any bad-mouthing about this piece means much to me since the article is basically telling us things that we already knew...

does the MMA union situation totally suck? are fighters scared to speak out against zuffa? is the average pay quite low? yup, we already knew these kinds of things. but now there's a little more ink and coverage devoted to these issues. personally i think that's a good thing.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:50 PM   #875
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funny that it's also co-written by josh gross, one of the top journalists in the sport and one of the many people that dana white would like to have murdered.

Yeah, it's by a bunch of people that have an agenda. A lot of fighters told ESPN to fuck off.
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Old 01-15-2012, 11:13 PM   #876
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how is an agenda to do an expose' a bad thing in this case? i say it's a good thing, and will help move the sport forward.

of course a lot of fighters told ESPN to flup off. say the wrong thing, and they're dropped like a hot potato, or have white develop a grudge against them. that's the whole point- they're nervous.
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An agenda is bad when it twists everything to fit the agenda and doesn't present the truth.

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of course a lot of fighters told ESPN to flup off. say the wrong thing, and they're dropped like a hot potato, or have white develop a grudge against them. that's the whole point- they're nervous.

They could have done it under the cover of anonymity.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:02 AM   #878
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An agenda is bad when it twists everything to fit the agenda and doesn't present the truth.
agree, but what is your basis for saying it's a 'bad' agenda in this case? one single interview which dana white claims was taken out of context?


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clearly many did and many were too nervous to. should that be any surprise?
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:39 PM   #879
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Here's the video I promised you - youtu.be/O7neKshmjzI - for the uncut interview, go to ufc.com

video is out
too bad lorenzo doesnt do more face time for the company, kind of a nice change from dana white's usual brashness and explicitness

lol @ ken shamrock ending

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"Dana White Responds To ESPN"

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent...-Responds-3639
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:21 AM   #881
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out of the MMA three sites i respect the most (bloodyelbow, MMAfighting, MMAjunkie), BE was the only one that gave any real opinion on all this:
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...I can't stress enough how bizarre I find the defending of Lorenzo's larger point. I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with fighter pay in the UFC. I'd like to see mid-tier guys get a little bit more of a boost and I think the $6,000 to show, $6,000 to win model for undercard guys should be changed to a flat $10,000 (or something in that neighborhood) as it's crippling for guys to show up after a camp, lose a tough fight and walk away with $6,000 (yes, in disclosed pay). But those aren't huge issues.

The problem is with treating Lorenzo's argument like it's some heavy blow to ESPN. The deep undercard of a small boxing card with a limited budget like you get with Friday Night Fights is made up of prospects just starting out, local fighters filling spots and warm bodies being put in the ring to give a better fighter some experience. That's not in any way similar to what the UFC is supposed to represent, where even guys in a curtain jerker role on a card are supposed to represent someone near the pinacle of the sport.

If anything, I think the UFC is overreacting to a feature piece by ESPN that, while not particularly flattering, wasn't exactly a sledgehammer to the credibility of the UFC. I think the amount of attention they're giving it, with swinging back with a video like this (which falls apart under any sort of critical thinking) they're not doing anything but appeasing their own fans by giving them something to shout about. It doesn't prove anything, it doesn't actually make ESPN look bad and it only serves to further the "us vs. them" narrative.

But maybe that's just what they actually set out to do.
BE also has far and away the most interesting comments, probably because it's the place where experienced martial arts people go to talk (the anti-sherdog).
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:39 PM   #882
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sucks for strikeforce
king mo also tested positive for steroids

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Old 01-17-2012, 12:48 PM   #883
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He's well on his way to becoming the black Sonnen. He just needs to start saying crazier things and get triangled a bunch of times.
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