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Old 06-24-2012, 11:20 AM   #1186
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Enjoyed the fight last night. I wanted Wandy to win but it's not like the result really mattered that much anyway at this point. Just glad they put on a pretty good 5 rounder. I actually went to a bar with my cousin and 2 of our female friends to watch the PPV. If you've never watched UFC with girls you have to try it...their commentary and reactions to the shit is hilarious

But as long as we're talkin about fights this weekend what about f*ckin Guida's track and field exhibition against Maynard? I had to DVR that fight and yesterday morning I woke up all ready to watch a fast paced, intense fight. Instead I see....running. Not "footwork" as I've seen some MMA snobs tryin to call it online, but pure running. So damn disappointed in that one. White was pissed afterwards too. If Guida wasn't so popular (before this fight at least) his spot would probably be in jeopardy after that
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:05 PM   #1187
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But as long as we're talkin about fights this weekend what about f*ckin Guida's track and field exhibition against Maynard? I had to DVR that fight and yesterday morning I woke up all ready to watch a fast paced, intense fight. Instead I see....running. Not "footwork" as I've seen some MMA snobs tryin to call it online, but pure running. So damn disappointed in that one. White was pissed afterwards too. If Guida wasn't so popular (before this fight at least) his spot would probably be in jeopardy after that
some people seem to be comparing guida-maynard to condit-diaz. i consider that extremely wishful thinking.

condit was willing to engage everywhere except the perimeter of the octagon- by the end, diaz' face was busted up and all major compustats had condit outlanding total shots and significant shots.

guida, other than some interesting exchanges, ran away on the edges, the middle, and everywhere else. there is no way in any reasonable or totally bizarre universe that the dude deserves the win or should be compared to condit.
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:40 AM   #1188
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the idea that fedor could cut 30-35 lbs to get to LHW and that he's lost much of any real speed are both total myths IMO.

fact is, fedor only lost one fight in his entire career in which he looked decisively outclassed. and of that particular fight, it was only the second round, when bigfoot achieved mount, that showed how vulnerable he could be against a BJJ expert and all-around beast, giving up like 30+ pounds to the dude. and yes, cain and cormier both showed how to beat bigfoot, but they're both fantastic wrestlers who used precision gameplans, two things that fedor failed to achieve.

there is no doubt in my mind that fedor is still a top-five HW at age 35. i can't see him beating JDS, but he could definitely give a lot of trouble to cain, cormier, mir, and a couple others. all he would really need to do against werdum and hendo is to not jump in to their guards-- otherwise he knocks both guys out standing up.

really, this is all about fedor's desire to be with his kids, DW being a hot-headed, stubborn douchebag as usual, and fedor's mgmt being greedy douchebags as usual. other than those three things, there is no actual reason fedor shouldn't be wrecking skulls in the UFC even now.

Can't agree. He's not getting any younger and all those years he spent doing the same ol' training and not expanding caught up to him. Just look at the level of competition he chose to fight in his last 3. If he had any desire to really improve and not be so set in his ways, then he would have gone after better opponents. Fedor avoided Overeem like the plague and he avoided the UFC. Do you see the confidence in Fedor in his actions?
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Old 06-25-2012, 05:42 AM   #1189
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some people seem to be comparing guida-maynard to condit-diaz. i consider that extremely wishful thinking.

condit was willing to engage everywhere except the perimeter of the octagon- by the end, diaz' face was busted up and all major compustats had condit outlanding total shots and significant shots.

guida, other than some interesting exchanges, ran away on the edges, the middle, and everywhere else. there is no way in any reasonable or totally bizarre universe that the dude deserves the win or should be compared to condit.

Yep, Guida was much closer to Starnes than he was to Condit.
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Old 06-25-2012, 06:13 PM   #1190
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wow silva went ham on sonnen

"he'll need a plastic surgeon after the fight"
"im gonna beat him like his parents should have beaten him"
"he's not going to be walk out of the octagon by himself"
"im going to beat his ass out of the ufc, he'll never fight again when im done with him"



Holy crap. Lets hope this fight is epic and exciting for a full 5 rounds.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:22 PM   #1191
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wow silva went ham on sonnen

"he'll need a plastic surgeon after the fight"
"im gonna beat him like his parents should have beaten him"
"he's not going to be walk out of the octagon by himself"
"im going to beat his ass out of the ufc, he'll never fight again when im done with him"

Silva promises to destroy Sonnen.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #1192
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Threatening a sneak attack after Chael takes his belt.
It'd be interesting to see how Sonnen does without doping pre-fight.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:46 PM   #1193
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I thought they cleared him to use TRT? I haven't been following too much.
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Sonnen tested positive for testosterone at a 16.9-to-1 testosterone to epitestosterone ratio. Normal levels are 1-to-1, and allowable levels in most sports, including by the CSAC, is 4-to-1. Sonnen claimed he had a spiked ratio because he took a shot the day before he was tested. The commission has approved testosterone therapy, but only to get levels back to normal levels, not increased levels that would provide for enhanced performance.

In cases of this type that have been approved, it has been because the athlete informed the commission well ahead of time, allowing the commission, the commissionís medical advisers and the fighterís doctor to go through records and examine the case, which didnít happen in this case.

Sonnenís team produced eight tests showing levels at lower than average to average levels, not levels that would indicate performance enhancement qualities. But those tests were not taken at the time of the Silva fight.
Basically he can inject himself with some, but not nearly as much as he did. And there's a fair chance his low-T is the result of past doping.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:25 PM   #1194
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I like Sonnen but I'm pretty sure its safe to say Silva is gonna beat the crap out of him this time around. I'm predicting 2nd or 3rd round TKO
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:30 PM   #1195
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Sonnen is gonna beat him for 5 rounds....... Again
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:03 PM   #1196
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Sonnen is gonna beat him for 5 rounds....... Again
Sonnen barely got past Bisping. He needs his PEDs.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:14 AM   #1197
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Can't agree. Fedor's not getting any younger and all those years he spent doing the same ol' training and not expanding caught up to him. Just look at the level of competition he chose to fight in his last 3. If he had any desire to really improve and not be so set in his ways, then he would have gone after better opponents. Fedor avoided Overeem like the plague and he avoided the UFC. Do you see the confidence in Fedor in his actions?
those are 90% just cliches, though. if you actually watch fedor's last three fights, he's clearly re-emphasized patient striking and the mindset of not over-committing himself, such as he badly fell in to during his very late career. that is, the period of time not just including his three losses, but including his very sloppy wins against rogers and arlovski.

recently i also posted a snippet and link from an extensive three-part article on fedor's very full repertoire of technique, which included an extensive examination of why he essentially began slacking off on technique (hint: it wasn't because of 'age').

all things being equal, i think it would be worth your time to read the series in question.

re: overeem,
the dude is a laughing-stock right now in the MMA community. very few fans of any top HW today feel that if their guy lost to AO that it would be a legit loss. every online community response from non-knuckleheads (i.e., sherdoggers) i've read over AO's recent vow to test himself has been a consensus guffaw. in case you missed it, that is.

there's also the fact that AO failed his conditional provision that he would remain PED-free for a period of time after the lesnar fight, which means that the AO-lesnar fight should be technically thrown out as a decision. i.e., overeem still hasn't beaten brock lesnar officially, in case that's unclear. technically lesnar probably should have won through disqualification.

and yes, i like overeem personally, but he's one of the most tainted fighters on the planet currently. JDS himself is leading the charge that the dude should not be trusted and should be subject to extraordinary testing, in case you somehow missed that also...
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:45 AM   #1198
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those are 90% just cliches, though. if you actually watch fedor's last three fights, he's clearly re-emphasized patient striking and the mindset of not over-committing himself, such as he badly fell in to during his very late career.

The difference is his level of competition took a big dive. Monson is mainly a grappler, Ishii is a judoka with little MMA experience, and Rizzo is getting up there in age and he hadn't fought in 2 years. All of Fedor's talk and the route he chose to take after the Hendo fight clearly point to him not having the desire nor confidence to go after the top of the division.

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the dude is a laughing-stock right now in the MMA community. very few fans of any top HW today feel that if their guy lost to AO that it would be a legit loss. every online community response from non-knuckleheads (i.e., sherdoggers) i've read over AO's recent vow to test himself has been a consensus guffaw. in case you missed it, that is.

In case you missed it, a large part of the MMA community is a joke. It's full of hypocrites, trolls and morons who turn on a fighter at the drop of a hat, and also quickly jump on a bandwagon. I pretty much gave up on most MMA forums months ago due to the overwhelming hypocrisy, stupidity and fickleness of people on them. Half the people can't even think for themselves, and many are biased to hell. I haven't found an MMA forum I would even call halfway decent. Either they're too small or they have too many trolls/morons posting. I check MMA sites daily and read some of what people say, but it's the same ol' song and dance. Wait, did you call Sherdoggers non-knuckleheads?

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and yes, i like overeem personally, but he's one of the most tainted fighters on the planet currently. JDS himself is leading the charge that the dude should not be trusted and should be subject to extraordinary testing, in case you somehow missed that also...

That's funny, all other fighters who have failed a test have been welcomed back with open arms, but for Overeem let's burn him at the stake... JDS didn't bat an eye when he fought a suspicious roider like Carwin and then there's Mir, who put on a good amount of size and muscle in a short period of time a couple years ago, and then we later find out he's on TRT... If Overeem passes all his random tests in the future, then he should be given the same respect as all other guys who pass their tests.
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those are 90% just cliches, though. if you actually watch fedor's last three fights, he's clearly re-emphasized patient striking and the mindset of not over-committing himself, such as he badly fell in to during his very late career. that is, the period of time not just including his three losses, but including his very sloppy wins against rogers and arlovski.

recently i also posted a snippet and link from an extensive three-part article on fedor's very full repertoire of technique, which included an extensive examination of why he essentially began slacking off on technique (hint: it wasn't because of 'age').

all things being equal, i think it would be worth your time to read the series in question.

re: overeem,
the dude is a laughing-stock right now in the MMA community. very few fans of any top HW today feel that if their guy lost to AO that it would be a legit loss. every online community response from non-knuckleheads (i.e., sherdoggers) i've read over AO's recent vow to test himself has been a consensus guffaw. in case you missed it, that is.

there's also the fact that AO failed his conditional provision that he would remain PED-free for a period of time after the lesnar fight, which means that the AO-lesnar fight should be technically thrown out as a decision. i.e., overeem still hasn't beaten brock lesnar officially, in case that's unclear. technically lesnar probably should have won through disqualification.

and yes, i like overeem personally, but he's one of the most tainted fighters on the planet currently. JDS himself is leading the charge that the dude should not be trusted and should be subject to extraordinary testing, in case you somehow missed that also...


so do you think Stephan Bonnar and Vitor Belfort should also?.....heck even Dan Henderson is on PED's but has a doctor slip ...as do countless other fighters.

Brock Lesnar has been caught with buckets of PED's in vehicle...you really think he never used?

anyone who has followed AO's career knows he was on PED's....and even if he wasn't he would have still beat Lesnar rather easily.

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Old 06-29-2012, 10:56 PM   #1200
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no, those are all good points, definitely. i am in no way, shape or form the answer man for this stuff.

as i see it, our whole sport of choice is being more and more raked over the coals due to these PED issues. i think they're just not going to go away until someone necesssary gets off their ass or collective ass and does something useful on the accredited, regular testing front. whether that's DW or someone else, i don't know. i sure don't have any confidence in the nevada board with the way they've bungled decisions and judge oversights the past year, that's for sure.
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