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Old 05-20-2012, 12:27 AM   #1261
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cormier will be in the ufc right away, not sure about barnett

once the ufc 146 card is over,
ufc will pick an opponent for cormier
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:41 AM   #1262
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MMA doesnt need exciting fighters?
Ones with his history? Nope. At least not among the top contenders. Look at the mess Overeem has brought to the UFC.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:50 AM   #1263
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Ones with his history? Nope. At least not among the top contenders. Look at the mess Overeem has brought to the UFC.
Meh,dont care about his or overeems past.
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:54 AM   #1264
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Cormier is super talented.

Both Barnett and Overeem are super talented fighter, so I don't care if they have drug tests or not. The UFC benefits from getting both guys cleaned up and fighting as they always put on exciting fights and are top ranked Heavyweights who can be serious threats to the title and the UFC can use that.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:38 AM   #1265
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I am a Barnett fan, but Cormier impressed the hell out of me in that fight.

One fight then title shot I hope if he goes to the UFC. Guy is athletic as hell. Some of those slams were awesome, just rag dolled Barnett.
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Old 05-20-2012, 08:33 PM   #1266
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Any opinion on how far Cormier can go in the UFC? Any opinion re: Barnett?

Personally I tag them around the 3 - 6 range, jockeying with the likes of Mir and Werdum. (No Overeem, no Carwin in that equation)

Any opinion on how good Gil Melendez really is? Better than Bendo, Edgar, Nate...?

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Old 05-20-2012, 09:17 PM   #1267
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Any opinion on how good Gil Melendez really is? Better than Bendo, Edgar, Nate...?
He is good, that's for suer, but it is hard to tell how good because he isn't facing top competition right now.
I think that he would be able to beat those guys you listed, but he could lose as well. So, we'll just have to wait and see...
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:38 PM   #1268
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If Thomson almost rear naked choked Melendez and almost beat him, Henderson and Edgar would beat him.

Nate won't be fighting him as they're both from the Cesar Gracie Jiu-Jitsu training camp, but if they did, Melendez would probably beat him as Nate similar to his brother don't have good takedown defense.

Cormier and Barnett could be top 5 Heavyweights in the UFC easily. I think Cormier would only lose to Dos Santos but would beat every other Heavyweight.

Barnett would probably be able to beat most Heavyweights also.

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Old 05-21-2012, 12:51 AM   #1269
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If Thomson almost rear naked choked Melendez and almost beat him, Henderson and Edgar would beat him.

Nate won't be fighting him as they're both from the Cesar Gracie Jiu-Jitsu training camp, but if they did, Melendez would probably beat him as Nate similar to his brother don't have good takedown defense.

Cormier and Barnett could be top 5 Heavyweights in the UFC easily. I think Cormier would only lose to Dos Santos but would beat every other Heavyweight.

Barnett would probably be able to beat most Heavyweights also.

Can't say I really agree with any of that. The LW division is hard to call, and Thomson is underrated. Just because Melendez had a close fight with Thomson doesn't mean he'd automatically lose to Henderson and Edgar. Too early to say for Cormier. I think Velasquez (granted, they probably wouldn't fight each other) and Overeem beat him with stand up, and guys like Werdum and Mir could possibly sub him. As for Barnett, Cormier is the only top level HW he's faced in the past 5 years. The HW division is too much of a guessing game.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:39 AM   #1270
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I mean, Melendez probably had an off night and everyone does, but I just don't think he's someone to beat the top UFC Lightweights. The UFC has a ton of good Lightweight wrestlers with better striking than Melendez. Also it's kind of hard to compare how Melendez will do against the top UFC Lightweights as he hasn't really fought any top ranked Lightweights. Don't get me wrong, Masvidal, Thomson, Kawajiri, Ishida, etc. are super talented and fun to watch, but they're not top ranked Lightweights.

Cormier's got the tools to beat Overeem, Werdum and Mir.

When fighting a stand up fighter like Overeem, Cormier just has to continuously take him down and grind out a decision.

When fighting guys like Werdum and Mir who are submission based fighters, Cormier just has to do what he did to Barnett, stop the fighting from getting to the ground and keep it standing and strike with them.

I know it's easier said than done, but those are just strategies that Cormier can use against those guys.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:09 PM   #1271
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i think people are still underestimating cormier's boxing a little bit. not only is his striking power and speed reminiscent of prime fedor (probably even more sound technically) but he has a really interesting and highly effective defensive system... almost diaz-like with the open arm positions. his fights are very interesting to watch just for the defense alone IMO.

given the speed and skill differential, i don't think overeem, werdum or most others outside JDS would be able to touch him with their hands. just a guess, but i'm thinking muay thai / kickboxing might be the best way to get him in trouble...
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:43 PM   #1272
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Hopefully Cormier gets his hand situation looked at. Broke his hand in each of his last two fights.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:35 PM   #1273
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i think people are still underestimating cormier's boxing a little bit. not only is his striking power and speed reminiscent of prime fedor (probably even more sound technically) but he has a really interesting and highly effective defensive system... almost diaz-like with the open arm positions. his fights are very interesting to watch just for the defense alone IMO.

given the speed and skill differential, i don't think overeem, werdum or most others outside JDS would be able to touch him with their hands. just a guess, but i'm thinking muay thai / kickboxing might be the best way to get him in trouble...
I know it just your opinion but have to disagree with most of it.

1.Cormiers striking power a prime fedors?Nah he doesnt have much power in his hands i know he ko'd bigfoot BUT it was the speed of the punches.Sometimes speed is power but as far just one hit power?Nah,not close to fedor.Speed yes and technically i agree hes better then fedor.

2.Cormier's defense?Hes moves in good angles but its not really all that great.I thought Barnetts defense was much better.

Also as a Diaz fan.Nick probably has the worst defensive boxing ever he literally puts his face out there so it gets hit.He doesnt use angles either he just comes straight at you and he puts his hands in the air as a way to taunt you.His defense is his offense he puts his face out there so you can punch it so he can counter you with 3 or 4 body punches.

agree to disagree i guess
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:39 PM   #1274
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Nick Diaz got 12 months suspension for weed, but Overeem got 9 months for steroids. **** that...
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:43 PM   #1275
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AC "Mr Diaz you tested positive several yrs ago for Marijuana and you told the Commission at that time it was a isolated incident and it wouldn't happen again"

Diaz "Yes"

AC "you tested positive again so how soon after testifying did you start using again"?

Diaz "when I got home"

AC "so you just told us that to get through the hearing"?

Diaz "Yes"


Fack, 12 months just for weed.. need more fighters like him.
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