Originally Posted by rezznor
yea, the joffrey + whores scene was not needed. i would have rather seen some jon snow. tyrion's ownage of Lancel was great.
also, it looks like they combined (white) They're not going to introduce Cersie's pet chupacabra.
I agree about the white text portion of your thinking. They kind of smushed the two instances together. I started wondering about that earlier in the season, because if I'm not mistaken, the second instance gains Stannis access to Dragonstone, and there's nothing to imply up to this point that he doesn't hold Dragonstone since the opening sequence where he is in Dragonstone.
I too don't think it's a major consellation, but this shit will start to add up and make things seem a little more disjointed over time. I don't think it's impossible that they add Edric Storm yet still. I mean he's only a ward of Dragonstone. There's no reason he can't still be there.
I'm a little surprised they cut where they did. They could've let the shadow baby do it's thing, and cut immediately after, and it still would've been quite a cliffhanger, and it would have felt like things really pushed along a lot further, but it's sort of a six of one half dozen of the other argument.
For the non-book people out there, a couple of introductions that were somewhat glossed over that should be noted, in which I will keep any spoiling out of:
The guy who implies to Robb Stark that he can get information from his captives if Robb allows him to torture them. Robb tells him that torture is forbidden in the north, at which point he points out that they are not in fact in the north. That's Roose Bolton. His sigil which was somewhat visable on his chest last night is The Flayed Man, and he has a history of flaying people. He plays a large part as the books move forward, so he's worth noting.
Also, the guy doing the interrogation at the spot where Arya is, eating the apples and with the funny voice, I believe (I'm not 100% positive about this) to be Vargo Hoat. He is the commander of a group called The Brave Companions, who are really a mish mosh collection of scumbag sell sword criminals. They've been hired by Tywin Lannister to sort of do the dirty work Tywin wants done, but isn't willing to be 100% associated with, things like torture that seem to be below his noble but brutal standing. Hoat is not a huge part of the story, and just by the way things are going, it's not impossible he could be written down significantly to the point where he's never even given a name, but if they hold true to the books form, he's significant enough to keep a mental note of who he is.
Also, that location as well that Arya is at. That is Harrenhall. It's worth mentioning if only because it's been promised to both Janos Slynt, and Littlefinger at this point. It's massive. I believe it's the biggest castle in the seven kingdoms. It has an elaborate history that in the books we learn about through flashbacks and story telling. I won't go into it because it would be nice if the show can fill it up, although it's one of those things that as I'm reading I'm not sure how the show will handle. They may have to do an entire season of people just sitting around campfires telling stories in order to flesh out the history of the kingdom the way they do in the books, so I'm afraid a lot of that stuff will be left by the wayside, but they should be given more of a chance before I try to flesh it out for you I think. But as Arya points out when they approach, legend has that it's haunted, which is why it doesn't have much of a community, and it's in such disrepair. Remember Tyrion suggested Littlefinger tare it down and start from scratch with it.
The entire Joffrey scene with the whores is totally an add on by the showrunners, and while I thought it was really well done in what it's trying to establish, that Joffrey is a sociopath, I'm not sure it was necessary. I think it's pretty clear that Joffrey is a sick little bastard already. And I agree that the time could've been better spent elsewhere. But it gave them an excuse to add a little nudity, which seems to be on a checklist somewhere for these episodes.