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Old 05-29-2012, 09:08 AM   #1906
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i wasn't as impressed as everyone else by the episode. It didn't really clear up much of anything, or make any of the storylines change much especially since they retained the keep. I guess Tywin will play a more direct role in the Joffrey-Cerseii-Tyrion drama going on, hopefully put Joffrey in his place or just straight up kill him. And if Joffrey doesn't lose clout in a major way for abandoning them there is something really wrong with the story...

I'm also wondering why the Hound ditched them officially. Was it for not believing in the war or getting tired of seeing men die? Just seemed odd how he abruptly showed up in front of Joffrey/Tyrion drinking and left. I know they were about to be taken over so was that why? it just seems out of character of him to do that since he seemed very loyal up until that point.

I also thought it was odd how initially all you saw was that one ship. i was thinking Stannis was the one setting up some trap, and it confused me when that explosion was Tyrions trap. I just wonder what Stannis had in mind sending that 1 dummy ship ahead, like he was anticipating that trap?

hate to say it but i'm losing steam with this story. Just so much of the development isn't very climactic to me, and everything i want to see doesn't seem like its going to happen for another 2-3 seasons. No characters that i'm really attached to either other than Arya and Jon Snow, and they've been almost filler go nowhere scenes for the most part. the occasional interesting dialogues have been the only interesting aspect for a few shows now. i mean when the hell are we going to see Daenyrs do anything with those dragons? how much longer of her going place to place like a homeless person? Its just so much of nothing that happens, more just transitioning constantly, and a whole lot of small talk in between.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:20 AM   #1907
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The hound isnt loyal to anyone. He was one of Roberts guards and he knows Joffrey isnt the real king like everyone else does. He just likes to kill people. He left the battle because hes afraid of fire. His brother put his face in a fire when they were kids remember? The only time he looked afraid all series was when the guy ran up on him burning and then he looked around at the water/people burning and left.

Also...

The Red Wedding was spoiled here for me like a year ago(and I curse the spoiler to my last day). Any chance thats the season finale? I read that some events that happened this season are from the 3rd book like Cat letting Jaime go.

So...should I go in expecting that?

Be a hell of a finale.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:22 AM   #1908
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Oh and I wouldnt imagine the dragons will ever do anything unless they make the movie go many years in the future. The dragons can live to be like 200. I doubt they are grown in 2-3 years. Just...bigger.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:31 AM   #1909
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The hound isnt loyal to anyone. He was one of Roberts guards and he knows Joffrey isnt the real king like everyone else does. He just likes to kill people. He left the battle because hes afraid of fire. His brother put his face in a fire when they were kids remember? The only time he looked afraid all series was when the guy ran up on him burning and then he looked around at the water/people burning and left.

Also...

The Red Wedding was spoiled here for me like a year ago(and I curse the spoiler to my last day). Any chance thats the season finale? I read that some events that happened this season are from the 3rd book like Cat letting Jaime go.

So...should I go in expecting that?

Be a hell of a finale.


I would think that would be the climactic scene of next season.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:45 AM   #1910
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I would think that would be the climactic scene of next season.

I heard they're gonna split the third book into two seasons.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:48 AM   #1911
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Didnt Tywin say he was giving jamie half their forces in the first season and that it was 60 thousand men?
In the show as I said they have increased the numbers, 60K is Lannisters' army at full strength i.e. that is including all their bannermen.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:58 AM   #1912
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The hound isnt loyal to anyone. He was one of Roberts guards and he knows Joffrey isnt the real king like everyone else does. He just likes to kill people. He left the battle because hes afraid of fire. His brother put his face in a fire when they were kids remember? The only time he looked afraid all series was when the guy ran up on him burning and then he looked around at the water/people burning and left.

Also...

The Red Wedding was spoiled here for me like a year ago(and I curse the spoiler to my last day). Any chance thats the season finale? I read that some events that happened this season are from the 3rd book like Cat letting Jaime go.

So...should I go in expecting that?

Be a hell of a finale.
The Hound left his home when his brother inherited House Clegane, he joined House Lannister and served under Tywin who then ordered Sandor to act as a personal bodyguard to Joffrey. He despises Knights, due to the fact that his ****ed up brother became one, so he was never an official member of Jofferey's Kingsguard.
The finale is named "Valar Morghulis" which makes me believe the finale is gonna be badass. And in case you meant that specific incident you were spoiled to could be included in the finale, I assure you it wont be featured as it is too early for that. My estimate is that it will be the main theme of Season 3 finale.
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:32 AM   #1913
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The hound isnt loyal to anyone. He was one of Roberts guards and he knows Joffrey isnt the real king like everyone else does. He just likes to kill people. He left the battle because hes afraid of fire. His brother put his face in a fire when they were kids remember? The only time he looked afraid all series was when the guy ran up on him burning and then he looked around at the water/people burning and left.

Also...

The Red Wedding was spoiled here for me like a year ago(and I curse the spoiler to my last day). Any chance thats the season finale? I read that some events that happened this season are from the 3rd book like Cat letting Jaime go.So...should I go in expecting that?
Be a hell of a finale.


Well um thanks for mentioning that. WTF is the Red Wedding, and why the hell did you have to mention it?
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:02 PM   #1914
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I wouldnt have mentioned it at all if it hadn ot already been done and referenced several times. But im not just gonna say what it is now and spoil it for you.

Trust me...knowing what it is will probably ruin what would otherwise have been one of the biggest "OMG!" moments in tv history. I didnt have a choice in the matter. You do. Choose to not look into it.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:14 PM   #1915
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All right.

I felt that was exceptionally well done. I do have a few book items I wish they had included. The big one for me being Tyrion's giant chain. It added an extra dimension to that siege defense. And it since the wildfire was something Tyrion refined, it was really more Cersie's idea, so the chain really helps to play up Tyrion's importance in the battle.

I don't recall exactly, but shouldn't Sansa be developing her relationship with Ser Dantos already.

The Renly's ghost thing was something that I had hoped would be played up a lot more, and I guess by a lot more, I mean even at all, but it's not really that critical an issue.

On the good side. The battle itself was excellently done even in the way they limited the scope. And the wildfire sequence was spectacular. I loved the way they had the people on shore recoil to really give you a sense of just how intense the heat is supposed to be.
Once again Tyrion was spectacular. Just a great character that without Peter Dinklage this show isn't even producable it would seem.
And Lena Headly's Cersie is spectacular as well. Drunken rambling Cersie tormenting Sansa was great. And frankly the show has twisted her in a few ways that I think I like even more than the book, and honestly think will pay off even better as things go down the road they're going. She's got a Cruella DeVille level of evilness, but she still shows edges of genuine vulnerability, and seems like a deeply damaged human being in ways that make her seem more sympathetic than she does in the book ... at least up to this point.

Stannis being at the breach I know is something that is a variation on the book, but I actually liked it. It really is relatable to his character long term.

One of the things that I don't think is that important, but worth pointing out, is that Tyrion's squire, Podrick, who was given very little play up until his big moment last night, is actually the son of Ser Illyn Payne, the tongueless creepy headsman that Cersie had in the keep last night to keep the raping to a minimum should it come to that. They mentioned Pod last week when Cersie and Tyrion had the scene with the whore together, and it struck me that that was pretty much the first time they had mentioned him, and he was going to be of some importance. And while he doesn't have a huge role, he does progress.

One of the weird things about watching the show after having read the books is knowing what's going to happen with characters, I find myself really hoping so and so can act, because some characters may seem like they just fit a role because they fill out armour well, or seem to have some choreography in fights, or whatever the reason, and I'm thinking this guy better have some chops because he's got a lot left to do if this is gonna work.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:22 PM   #1916
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I wouldnt have mentioned it at all if it hadn ot already been done and referenced several times. But im not just gonna say what it is now and spoil it for you.

Trust me...knowing what it is will probably ruin what would otherwise have been one of the biggest "OMG!" moments in tv history. I didnt have a choice in the matter. You do. Choose to not look into it.

Ok right, thanks for the added anticipation. I probably should try and avoid this thread from now on.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:29 PM   #1917
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Well um thanks for mentioning that. WTF is the Red Wedding, and why the hell did you have to mention it?

Don't ask it is a spoiler and it has to do with next season not this season.

I wish I never knew it as well.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:32 PM   #1918
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:53 PM   #1919
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The urge to spill the beans on something like this is like when I was a kid and would imagine what would happen if i just started screaming obscenities in church. I never did it but the idea was intriguing.
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Old 05-29-2012, 12:57 PM   #1920
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Question I wanted to ask multiple times but never did. What's the deal with that shadow demon who killed Renly? I mean, was it one use only or what's real cost of using black magic like that? It can't be that simple, make a demon who will kill leader of enemies army...
it is explained better in the book. the shadow is used twice, but it takes a terrible toll on Stannis, that's why it is not used more. It sucks the life out of him.
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