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Old 04-29-2014, 11:11 AM   #5056
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westeros was united before the rebellion. essos is mostly comprised of independant city states. also, they might not have white walkers (who are still beyond the wall and havent touched the kingdom btw) but essos has to deal with the dothraki horde.
Oh yea forgot about the Dothraki savages. Didn't Robert say if they ever came to Westeros united they would wipe out their whole armies in the open field?

But it is funny how there is so much doom and gloom with the coming Whitewalkers, kind of hard to take them seriously when most they can do is take over Westeros then stop when they approach the ocean. Would have been more terrifying if their corruption spread to Essos too and even the Dothraki, Dany and other main groups in the continent had to join forces to fight them.

But technically the Bank and the guild of Faceless Men alone could take over Westeros right? The Bank would crush them economically, while paying the assassins to kill all the main leaders of every faction. Chaos would tear the country apart and the Bank would then have puppet leaders take over. All the emphasis is on Littlefinger, Varys, Lannisters and Stannis as the main players but the Bank of Braavos should be focused on more, they are the boss of bosses.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:13 AM   #5057
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Essos is basically divided into city states that are at war with each other more often than not. Their military capabilities also seem to be quite underdeveloped when compared to the late medieval armies of Westeros. I mean, armorless eunuch hoplites capable of only fighting in an outdated old Greek phalanx are taken for an elite unit there.

It does not help much that GRRM's worldbuilding in Essos is quite lame and filled with caricatures.

also, it seems like essos relies alot on mercenary armies that often turn on their employers if they get paid enough (except for the golden company). there appears to be just as much in fighting amongst the powers in essos as there are in the kingdoms right now, but the kingdoms have probably had a more stable recent history (aside from the most recent war)
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:16 AM   #5058
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there was a huge potential spoiler shown in this week's episode's closing credits regarding a westeros legend. this may just be something totally different and divergent from the books, or it may actually be touching on something that the books havent addressed yet, so spoilers in white.
Of course folk tales are true in Westeros, it was proved since White Walkers were seen again. I don't see how people could read fantasy and dismiss the lore of its world. As I said in the novels thread, any vision/dream/tale etc that is presented in the books should be considered part of the grand scheme of things.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:17 AM   #5059
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Oh yea forgot about the Dothraki savages. Didn't Robert say if they ever came to Westeros united they would wipe out their whole armies in the open field?

But it is funny how there is so much doom and gloom with the coming Whitewalkers, kind of hard to take them seriously when most they can do is take over Westeros then stop when they approach the ocean. Would have been more terrifying if their corruption spread to Essos too and even the Dothraki, Dany and other main groups in the continent had to join forces to fight them.

But technically the Bank and the guild of Faceless Men alone could take over Westeros right? The Bank would crush them economically, while paying the assassins to kill all the main leaders of every faction. Chaos would tear the country apart and the Bank would then have puppet leaders take over. All the emphasis is on Littlefinger, Varys, Lannisters and Stannis as the main players but the Bank of Braavos should be focused on more, they are the boss of bosses.

although braavos can wreck alot of shit in westeros, i doubt they could completely take over. they simply don't have the manpower. sure, they could hire mercenary armies and invade, but why would they? they want to make money. lending money to warring factions and profiting off them is what they are about, if they went to war themselves it would cost them money, so why do it?

anyways, we should be learning more about the east as the show progresses.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:19 AM   #5060
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Essos is basically divided into city states that are at war with each other more often than not. Their military capabilities also seem to be quite underdeveloped when compared to the late medieval armies of Westeros. I mean, armorless eunuch hoplites capable of only fighting in an outdated old Greek phalanx are taken for an elite unit there.

It does not help much that GRRM's worldbuilding in Essos is quite lame and filled with caricatures.
Yea Essos seems underdeveloped yet has 2 of the strongest factions in the Bank and Guild of Assassins. I am just surprised GRRM doesn't focus on Essos a little more. There could be major players in there but so far we just seem to visit for the usual "Dany's weekly adventures". I am sure they have their own Littlefinger/Varys type lords, would be nice to learn more. Afterall, in the end Dany and her collective army gathered in Essos will most likely have to join forces with the "good guys" of Westeros to fight the Whitewalkers.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:22 AM   #5061
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Of course folk tales are true in Westeros, it was proved since White Walkers were seen again. I don't see how people could read fantasy and dismiss the lore of its world. As I said in the novels thread, any vision/dream/tale etc that is presented in the books should be considered part of the grand scheme of things.
i agree, but some people will get mad because it hasn't been explicitly written explained yet. GRRM has been very subtly when writing about the fantasy elements of his story, but there is a reason for all the bed time stories, songs, rhymes, visions, prophecies, etc etc. imo, there is truth to all of them and should be taken seriously.
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:27 AM   #5062
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Yea Essos seems underdeveloped yet has 2 of the strongest factions in the Bank and Guild of Assassins. I am just surprised GRRM doesn't focus on Essos a little more. There could be major players in there but so far we just seem to visit for the usual "Dany's weekly adventures". I am sure they have their own Littlefinger/Varys type lords, would be nice to learn more. Afterall, in the end Dany and her collective army gathered in Essos will most likely have to join forces with the "good guys" of Westeros to fight the Whitewalkers.
don't forget about the golden company and the blackfyres. they will be a major force from essos as well

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Old 04-29-2014, 11:58 AM   #5063
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Oh yea forgot about the Dothraki savages. Didn't Robert say if they ever came to Westeros united they would wipe out their whole armies in the open field?

But it is funny how there is so much doom and gloom with the coming Whitewalkers, kind of hard to take them seriously when most they can do is take over Westeros then stop when they approach the ocean. Would have been more terrifying if their corruption spread to Essos too and even the Dothraki, Dany and other main groups in the continent had to join forces to fight them.

But technically the Bank and the guild of Faceless Men alone could take over Westeros right? The Bank would crush them economically, while paying the assassins to kill all the main leaders of every faction. Chaos would tear the country apart and the Bank would then have puppet leaders take over. All the emphasis is on Littlefinger, Varys, Lannisters and Stannis as the main players but the Bank of Braavos should be focused on more, they are the boss of bosses.
Dothraki are overrated dumbasses that would get slaughtered by any normal Westerosi army. Robert never met any so he has now knowledge of how incompetent they really are. He only heard stories about them.

I am quite sure that it is going to be much more complicated than "The Others are so so evil, everyone run to Essos". Lately I have become much more appreciative of various variations of The Others + Starks vs Targs + dragons and shit like this. I think that the reason GRRM does not expand on Stark history at all is their ancient and very close tie to the Others.

Braavos can't take on Westeros alone. Sure they could murder leaders, but there will always be their sons and united Westeros would crush Braavos even counting the strenght of Braavosi navy. And of course, the other Free Cities would not be happy with Braavos gaining more power either.
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:03 PM   #5064
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i love these little "spoilers"

tried to read the books. but that just aint my cup of tea
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:58 PM   #5065
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i love these little "spoilers"

tried to read the books. but that just aint my cup of tea


It seems there are a large set of fans who fit this group. People who either don't have the time, or just aren't interested in reading 4000 pages of fantasy fiction novels. But they're also intrested in the world as a whole moreso than the show can dole out an hour a week ten times a year.

The Westeros message board has a nice layout. There's a section for show watchers only, there's even sections for book readers who haven't gotten past specific books.

But message boards, particularly ones that focused, can be a little daunting. If you're gonna sift through that much message board crap you might as well just read the ****ing things.

This guy who writes for Grantland does a nice piece every Tuesday for this audience. It's short. A handfull of items from the previous show that he carefully fleshes out. It's enough to sort of give the show watcher only crowd some background, but he's very carefull not to spoil anything. This is the one from this week:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prosp...-wonder-twins/

Check out his archives. It's a new feature. Just this year I think. So there's not much. But it's probably ideal for a guy like you.
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Two continents? Aren't there four?
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yeah, but we've yet to even set foot on the other 2

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I don't like how they made the Night's King look like a blue Darth Maul. They could have made him devilishly aesthetic like Legolas.
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I don't like how they made the Night's King look like a blue Darth Maul. They could have made him devilishly aesthetic like Legolas.
they wanted to emphasize his "crown"
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