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Old 08-17-2011, 05:23 PM   #1156
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but word for word what they talked about was in book two. when he admitted to her about pushing bran out of the window and banging his sister.
yeah, that's kinda strange considering what happens after her meeting with him in book 2 is a fairly significant plot point. are they just going to film the dungeon scene without the bran/cersei dialogue?




btw, robb didn't marry his queen cuz he got her pregnant, that has never been confirmed. he married her cuz he fvcked her.
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:26 PM   #1157
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yeah, that's kinda strange considering what happens after her meeting with him in book 2 is a fairly significant plot point. are they just going to film the dungeon scene without the bran/cersei dialogue?




btw, robb didn't marry his queen cuz he got her pregnant, that has never been confirmed. he married her cuz he fvcked her.

hmmm, i swear i thought i remembered a conversation between her and catelyn and a baby coming up...maybe it was her saying she wished she could give him an heir? i think that was it
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:28 PM   #1158
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hmmm, i swear i thought i remembered a conversation between her and catelyn and a baby coming up...maybe it was her saying she wished she could give him an heir? i think that was it

That's what it is, I read that last week.
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:32 PM   #1159
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hmmm, i swear i thought i remembered a conversation between her and catelyn and a baby coming up...maybe it was her saying she wished she could give him an heir? i think that was it


i think they were just talking about giving him an heir. if it was known that she was pregnant then the child would be the heir to winterfell and there would be alot more talk about that given everyone thinks bran and ridonks are dead. instead, we get john as a potential heir (remember, robb did legitimize him before the RW) sansa/tyrion being the heir, and fake arya/bolton.

now, i'm not saying that she isn't pregnant, i'm just saying GRRM has yet to reveal whether she was or wasn't
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Old 08-17-2011, 05:52 PM   #1160
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ok, right, yeah i remember the conversation now, thanks for the reminders

i did completely forget about robb legitimizing jon, but how would anyone know? catelyn is dead [sort of] and robb is dead as well, wasn't that a private conversation between the two?
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:12 PM   #1161
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ok, right, yeah i remember the conversation now, thanks for the reminders

i did completely forget about robb legitimizing jon, but how would anyone know? catelyn is dead [sort of] and robb is dead as well, wasn't that a private conversation between the two?


didn't he write it down and send some of his bannermen north with the document? (after his conversation with cate)
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:14 PM   #1162
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In ASOS, before arriving at the Twins, (it's p. 527 in my hardback edition) after Robb tells Catelyn that she is going to be sent to Seagard, he says to his closest men, "One more matter. Lord Balon has left chaos in his wake, we hope. I would not do the same. Yet I have no son as yet, my brothers Bran and Rickon are dead, and my sister is wed to a Lannister. I've thought long and hard about who might follow me. I command you now as my true and loyal lords to fix your seals to this document as witnesses to my decision."

In this passage, he does not specifically say what is in the document, but we have to suppose that it is as he previously discussed with Catelyn, namely that he wishes to legitimize Jon and offer a deal to the Watch to release Jon from his vows in exchange for a hundred men. Of course, you never know ...

The witnesses would have been Galbart Glover, the Greatjon Umber, Jason Mallister, Edmure Tully, Maege Mormont, perhaps others.

Of these witnesses, there were at least a few survivors (not present at the Red Wedding). Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover were sent away with messages to Howland Reed. So, there are surviving witnesses that Jon Snow is now Jon Stark, heir to Winterfell and the crown.

It's so fraught with drama and complication! First of all, Robb didn't know that Bran and Rickon still live, or that Sansa was never bedded. Secondly, it's a big question whether Jon could be released from his vows to the Watch, especially after becoming Lord Commander. Even if he could release himself, would he? He takes his vows pretty seriously ... honorable bastard! Finally, when Howland Reed learns of the legitimation ... well, he may have other relevant information about Jon's parentage.

What's going to happen?
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:18 PM   #1163
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didn't he write it down and send some of his bannermen north with the document? (after his conversation with cate)

iirc the contents of the actual letter were never discussed, there was just the conversation between robb and cat, and i remember cat being against it [obviously]
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:21 PM   #1164
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yeah, grrm left that kind of in the air, but it's safe to assume that the letter does indeed include that so i think you're right
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:24 PM   #1165
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iirc the contents of the actual letter were never discussed, there was just the conversation between robb and cat, and i remember cat being against it [obviously]
What a dumb cu*t
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:26 PM   #1166
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cat is by far the worst character in the series, she means well, but she literally f*cks everything up, she never did anything right

i hate her
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:30 PM   #1167
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cat is by far the worst character in the series, she means well, but she literally f*cks everything up, she never did anything right

i hate her


She even makes poor decisions as a zombie.
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Old 08-17-2011, 08:32 PM   #1168
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When I first read Cat's chapters I thought her whole purpose was to give the reader sight to what was going on in the North. I didn't think she would be used for anything other then that, but yeah...she proved me wrong.
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yeah, that's kinda strange considering what happens after her meeting with him in book 2 is a fairly significant plot point. are they just going to film the dungeon scene without the bran/cersei dialogue?




btw, robb didn't marry his queen cuz he got her pregnant, that has never been confirmed. he married her cuz he fvcked her.


Yeah, the dialogue was lifted directly from the second book, right down to the discussion of the disgusting bucket of shit.

It hasn't been confirmed, but discussion of Jeyne Westerling's being pregnant has popped up more than once. It comes up again in book four when Jamie is sitting seige on Riverrun. When they're discussing the fate of the Blackfish, and Jamie's uncle Frey by marriage wants the Blackfish hung because so long as he's alive, even with the royal edict, he can make some kind of claim to Riverrun.
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Yeah, the dialogue was lifted directly from the second book, right down to the discussion of the disgusting bucket of shit.

It hasn't been confirmed, but discussion of Jeyne Westerling's being pregnant has popped up more than once. It comes up again in book four when Jamie is sitting seige on Riverrun. When they're discussing the fate of the Blackfish, and Jamie's uncle Frey by marriage wants the Blackfish hung because so long as he's alive, even with the royal edict, he can make some kind of claim to Riverrun.

You shouldn't read the white text if your not passed Jamies seige of Riverrun.

Didn't Jamie meet with Jeynes mom (his aunt) and she said something along the lines of she made sure Jeyne would not be having Robbs heir or something along the lines of that?
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