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Old 05-18-2011, 04:58 AM   #31
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Default Re: Cavs Rebuilt in 1 Year, Knicks Took 10

How much money did NY spend on Marbury, Curry and Francis? I think it was well over $150,000,000. Bad contracts is why the Knicks have been so bad. Also, the Cavs haven't done anything, to say they have already rebuilt the team has to be one of the dumbest things I have seen on this board, and there have been a lot of dumb things posted on this board.

They won't have the best record, they won't have the most televised games, so they are nowhere near being rebuilt. The Grizz won't move Gay unless there are serious issues signing Gasol, even then I wouldn't call it a move yet. The Grizz would be playing for a title if Gay wasn't hurt. What cost them against OKC was the lack of a consistent perimeter threat.
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:27 AM   #32
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:51 AM   #33
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LMAO @ Cavs rebuilt!

Some teams are in the lottery practically every year and still field mediocre clubs. Cleveland still has to hit homeruns with these picks and make some savvy moves with the rest of the roster before they're anywhere close to "rebuilt"

The real story of the Knicks drafts over the last decade isn't the picks they traded (though those were pretty bad), but also the lottery picks they struck out on. Michael Sweetney 9th in 2003. Channing Frye 8th in 2005. Jordan Hill 8th in 2009. Only decent lottery pick they made was Gallo 6th in 2008. How different would this team look with say Nick Collison, Andrew Bynum and Brandon Jennings or Jrue Holliday?
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:55 AM   #34
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LMAO @ Cavs rebuilt!

Some teams are in the lottery practically every year and still field mediocre clubs. Cleveland still has to hit homeruns with these picks and make some savvy moves with the rest of the roster before they're anywhere close to "rebuilt"

The real story of the Knicks drafts over the last decade isn't the picks they traded (though those were pretty bad), but also the lottery picks they struck out on. Michael Sweetney 9th in 2003. Channing Frye 8th in 2005. Jordan Hill 8th in 2009. Only decent lottery pick they made was Gallo 6th in 2008. How different would this team look with say Nick Collison, Andrew Bynum and Brandon Jennings or Jrue Holliday?

Frye has turned out to be more than decent.
Spreads the floor, good on D, rebounds, spreads the floor and is very clutch.
He finished this season with 12.7 / 6.7 and over 1 BPG.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:47 AM   #35
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if the knicks have kept all of the picks

our roster could be

Noah
Aldridge
Melo
Hayward
Chauncey

not bad



Every team has a story like that though. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Atlanta drafting Marvin Williams over D-Will and CP3, Bucks trading Dirk for Tractor Traylor (RIP) and the list goes on and on.
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calling something rebuilt before the 'stars' are in place is incredibly fan-boyish and naive. at least understand how you get there and what players will make a difference.

NY made bad managerial decisions with isiah thomas and trusting him (he wanted curry to get a big contract). there were other things in there that is way too in-depth to get into. it was hardly ever always draft related. i fail to see the comparison. it was more about bad contracts than bad drafting. mind you, cleveland also got incredibly lucky to nab 2/4 top picks in the draft.
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If they can get Irving and Kanter, I'd keep the picks.
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It's the only way to do it for small market teams. The draft is pretty hit or miss and you just got to hope you hit. Once you hit you go from being like Minny to the Clippers. Eventually the Clippers hit and they've got an Eric Gordon|Blake Griffin core. Same with teams like Sacremento. Cousins|'Reke going forward is better than anything else they could have done. Better being in position to add potential franchise|starting caliber players rather than being like a team like Houston atm. Being in the middle is the WORST position for small market teams. Winning 35-38 games, and drafting from 8-14 is hell. Chances are you'll never suck enough to land a special player and your never going to sign somebody that's truly going to push you over the edge and if you do it won't be anything more than a borderline playoff team.

Stockpile as much youth as you can and than add role players in free agency, pieces via trade. Cleveland is on the right path, just gotta hope they draft well. Draft somebody like Irving|Williams, repeat process until you've established your core witch could be anywhere from 1-5 years depending on how you draft.

I'd rather be Cleveland right now than Milwaukee. Probably never suck enough to have a chance to add something special to go along with Bogut and besides Jennings nobody will develop enough to really make a splash. Free agency won't really help much, and they'll be stuck as a borderline playoff team for the forseeable future.

Building through the draft is really the way to go unless you've already got a franchise\All-Star caliber player and are in a market\position to surround him with talent. I'd rather Denver went the draft route as well.

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