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Old 05-26-2011, 05:37 PM   #16
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:47 PM   #17
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i watched that series. They had homecourt advantage and a great shot at beating the Celts, the king made up his mind and used the elbow as an excuse, the decision to play for Miami was taken waaaay before the season ended.

He definetly gave up after the first 3 games where they led 2-1 and he dropped 35 and 38. So he just decided to "quit" on his team as soon the elbow injury occured and his play slipped? I didnt know quitting on a team required a career high of 19 boards.

Im guessing that elbow surgery he later had was just a "cover up".

Lets just forget Boston had the advantage in every single fascet of the game outside of LeBron vs Pierce.
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and the second paragraph.... yeah because we know, Lebron was the only player that left the Cavs.

So what are we saying here?

The difference between Big Z being there cost them multiple games. His impact was that much, the Cavs lost 10 games due to him not giving them 7 Points and 4 Boards?

Delonte West couldnt even make a basket. Shaq barely played.

So the loss of LeBron's impact alone was just a difference in 35 wins, and not 40 as I previously posted? OK. I can live with that.
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:54 PM   #18
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You're an idiot.

Ok now that is out of the way the Cavs didn't just lose LeBron. We lost Mo for significant games, we lost Andy for almost 60 games, we lost Jamsion for significant games, and we lost Delonte, Shaq and Z. Needless to say that LeBron wasn't the only reason we went so far down hill.
And this is his best chance.

So you will ignore the addition of Ramon Sessions as an actual backup PG? You will ignore the emergence of JJ Hickson into a starting quality PF?

Those were 2 additions made to that Cavs team.

Andy Varajeo mising 60 games is not the reason why Cleveland played so poorly and neither is the loss of role players like Delonte, Shaq, & Z. Jamison was healthy throughout the entire stretch of their record setting losing streak. So was Mo Williams.

You're right LeBron wasn't the only reason, but he was the biggest reason and was the biggest reason for it by a large margin compared to anything else.

Dont underrate your former Franchise player and his ability to elevate the play of everyone around him. He is the best player in this league, and his loss can not be understimated.
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Old 05-26-2011, 05:57 PM   #19
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He definetly gave up after the first 3 games where they led 2-1 and he dropped 35 and 38. So he just decided to "quit" on his team as soon the elbow injury occured and his play slipped? I didnt know quitting on a team required a career high of 19 boards.

Im guessing that elbow surgery he later had was just a "cover up".

Lets just forget Boston had the advantage in every single fascet of the game outside of LeBron vs Pierce.

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So what are we saying here?

The difference between Big Z being there cost them multiple games. His impact was that much, the Cavs lost 10 games due to him not giving them 7 Points and 4 Boards?

Delonte West couldnt even make a basket. Shaq barely played.

So the loss of LeBron's impact alone was just a difference in 35 wins, and not 40 as I previously posted? OK. I can live with that.

and the injuries and more.... the Cavs were playing lineups consisting of Dleaguers at certain points in the season.

Lets not act like this year Cavs were exactly the same as last year minus Lebron.
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He gives up on his teammates by going for a triple double with an injured elbow? An elbow that required surgery when the season ended.

The fact that LeBron had to give Jordan-like performances each night in Cleveland in order for Cleveland to win a game shows how bad his teammates were. A -40 win difference with the loss of LeBron and Big Z speaks for itself.


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and whats the problem??? its a fair prediction considering he was playing with two superstar, what did you expect me to say?? 50-20-10? YES, he surpassed my expectations, but theres nothing wrong with my prediction. Everybody predicted the Spurs to kick Memphis ass, then Memphis won, does that make the people that did choose the Spurs idiots?
Except the Spurs over Memphis was the right prediction. 20/6/6 is borderline insane for a prediction. The problem is he's better than both Bosh and Wade, and when players join up, their stats don't go down by that much. Did Kobe's scoring average go to 20 ppg when he played with Shaq? Did Jordan's scoring average plummet when Pippen came to town? A player simply doesn't go from 30 ppg to 20 ppg in one season because of a change in teammates. Again, you'd understand that if you watched him enough or knew how he played the game. He takes opportunistic shots, and there will always be enough of them within a 48 minute game. As for the assists, you were again one of these people that thought LeBron got assists from dominating the ball as opposed to just being a great passer. And again for rebounds, you thought he wasn't as good of a rebounder. All of those predictions show how obviously you underrate LeBron's game, and why you think he "quit." 20/6/6 was a terrible prediction, not only because it didn't come close to happening, but because no one else predicted close to that bad. Not just because it didn't happen.

20/6/6 vs 27/8/7. That's how off you were. It's not close, that's the problem. It shows the bias against him from your side.
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Clearly his best chance, this is easily the best team he's played on. Never had a chance with the '06, '07 and '08 teams, lost in '09 despite getting 38/8/8 from Lebron and the '10 Cavs were worse by April than they were in January - the Jamison trade killed them defensively. You can get away with one defensive liability, but not two (or even three, Shaq could be awful at times). They should have won the Boston series, but they would've been exposed further down the line anyway.
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:28 PM   #23
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Except the Spurs over Memphis was the right prediction. 20/6/6 is borderline insane for a prediction. The problem is he's better than both Bosh and Wade, and when players join up, their stats don't go down by that much. Did Kobe's scoring average go to 20 ppg when he played with Shaq? Did Jordan's scoring average plummet when Pippen came to town? A player simply doesn't go from 30 ppg to 20 ppg in one season because of a change in teammates. Again, you'd understand that if you watched him enough or knew how he played the game. He takes opportunistic shots, and there will always be enough of them within a 48 minute game. As for the assists, you were again one of these people that thought LeBron got assists from dominating the ball as opposed to just being a great passer. And again for rebounds, you thought he wasn't as good of a rebounder. All of those predictions show how obviously you underrate LeBron's game, and why you think he "quit." 20/6/6 was a terrible prediction, not only because it didn't come close to happening, but because no one else predicted close to that bad. Not just because it didn't happen.

20/6/6 vs 27/8/7. That's how off you were. It's not close, that's the problem. It shows the bias against him from your side.

Except Shaq and Kobe don't play similar styles, Kobe is a SG - Wing player, Shaq is an inside force. they complement each other. And yes Jordan PPG didn't drop, but because it was pippen the one that sacrificed numbers.

Lebron and Wade play exactly the same style of basketball and they were talking about sacrificing numbers and etc.

Again 20/6/6 are great numbers, youre making sound like i said 10/2/2... Except for the PPG it wasn't really that off and i expected a huge drop in PPG because he was going to share shots with two superstar.

and please MR. oracle of basketball define "opportunistic shots" for this simple mortal.... is an opportunistic shot a 28 footer with a defender over him?

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and the injuries and more.... the Cavs were playing lineups consisting of Dleaguers at certain points in the season.

Lets not act like this year Cavs were exactly the same as last year minus Lebron.

Manny Harris & Alonzo Gee would've looked much better than they did if they were playing alongside a LeBron.
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Manny Harris & Alonzo Gee would've looked much better than they did if they were playing alongside a LeBron.

he can't do wrong in your eyes....he turns black chicks from the hood into Hollywood blondes just by banging em.
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how was spurs over memphis the right prediction??? wasn't the Spurs the first seed, considered one of the best teams(best by some people) in the league? so Memphis going over the spurs wasn't a surprise???

Except Shaq and Kobe don't play similar styles, Kobe is a SG - Wing player, Shaq is an inside force. they complement each other. And yes Jordan PPG didn't drop, but because it was pippen the one that sacrificed numbers.

Lebron and Wade play exactly the same style of basketball and they were talking about sacrificing numbers and etc.

Again 20/6/6 are great numbers, youre making sound like i said 10/2/2... Except for the PPG it wasn't really that off and i expected a huge drop in PPG because he was going to share shots with two superstar.

and please MR. oracle of basketball define "opportunistic shots" for this simple mortal.... is an opportunistic shot a 28 footer with a defender over him?
Um, I'm saying it WAS a surprise, and that's why predicting the Spurs to win was the right prediction. It was the right prediction because it was supported though, because the Spurs were the better seed, and the more experienced team that has won before.

Similar playing styles doesn't all of a sudden mean a player is going to get 6 or 7 less shots a game. An average NBA game still has like 80ish FGA to go around. You're telling me because LeBron and Wade have similar styles, combined they wouldn't get even 36 of those combined? LeBron the previous year scored 30 ppg on 20 FGA. With a better team to let him pick his spots better and not force up anything (therefore increasing in FG%) you thought he was going to plummet 10 ppg? How many shots did you expect him to take? 13?

20/6/6 are great numbers yes, but not even close for the caliber of player LeBron is. The fact that you thought those would be great numbers for him shows how little you think of him overall as a player. You clearly underrated his abilities, and continue to do so in your evaluations.

I never said he only takes opportunistic shots, but definitely more so than other volume scorers. He will occasionally take bad shots, but he picks and chooses when to shoot so that he's able to put up 20 FGA without shutting out his teammates.
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he can't do wrong in your eyes....he turns black chicks from the hood into Hollywood blondes just by banging em.

What wrong has he done on the court? Thats where my focus is at.

You're sitting here bitching over a stupid petty beef you have with him for leaving Cleveland, and joining in with the idiots who think he "quit" because he didnt give them the 40/8/8 they expected in Game 6.
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What wrong has he done on the court? Thats where my focus is at.

You're sitting here bitching over a stupid petty beef you have with him for leaving Cleveland, and joining in with the idiots who think he "quit" because he didnt give them the 40/8/8 they expected in Game 6.
LeBron was walking around the court in game 5. I attribute it to Delonte banging his mom in the locker room though.
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and the injuries and more.... the Cavs were playing lineups consisting of Dleaguers at certain points in the season.

Lets not act like this year Cavs were exactly the same as last year minus Lebron.

With Mo and Varejao and Gibson healthy, they were still trash.

Why do people choose to ignore just how HORRIBLE this team has done when Lebron was injured the past few seasons. They were 1-12 without him.

Remember what happened when Mo went down? They lost what, 1 game (if that?) and beat the Lakers during that stretch? Delonte was also out during a huge portion of that very same time that Mo was out....no difference. Same with Shaq and Z who combined, missed a serious amount of games...same result, WINNING, when the only person on that team that mattered, played.
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