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Old 05-28-2011, 06:07 PM   #61
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

Pretty sure once a team moves Player X for a trade exception the trade exception ceases to exist. It doesn't become some 12 million whatever dollar cancelled check that can be passed around the league or something.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:07 PM   #62
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Cavs should value #1, #4, #8 more than #1 + #2. I mean just look at it from a practical point of view -- Cavs fill three positions of need. Drafting Williams to hope he can play small forward is a risk that I wouldn't want to take when you can get the top players at PG, SG, and C.

Irving
Burks
Eyenga
Hickson
Valancuinas

I like that line up better than adding just Irving and Williams. But then again, Williams seems to have a rare quality about him that gives me a sense he wants to be the best, period. He's not afraid of the moment.

Cavs have my approval to make this deal.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:08 PM   #63
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

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I hope not
Listen, I have nothing against Minnesota and, in fact, I root for all of the small market teams to do well... But I fear another Diop when I look at Bismack. He literally looks like the same guy... Except Bismack is smaller, which is a concern.

If you draft him, I hope for nothing but the best, but I would be wary if I were you.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:09 PM   #64
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because Minnesota doesn't need another SF/PF.

The Wolves got Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Anthony Randolph,and Wesley Johnson.
Trade value? Derrick Williams could get them something..
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:10 PM   #65
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

There's been a ton of luck involved for Cleveland, but if they can come out of this with 1 + 2 their GM's done a pretty impressive job. Assuming the picks pan out obviously.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:12 PM   #66
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Cavs should value #1, #4, #8 more than #1 + #2. I mean just look at it from a practical point of view -- Cavs fill three positions of need. Drafting Williams to hope he can play small forward is a risk that I wouldn't want to take when you can get the top players at PG, SG, and C.

Irving
Burks
Eyenga
Hickson
Valancuinas

I like that line up better than adding just Irving and Williams. But then again, Williams seems to have a rare quality about him that gives me a sense he wants to be the best, period. He's not afraid of the moment.

Cavs have my approval to make this deal.
I agree (except I take Kanter over Valancuinas, but that is an argument for another day).

Grabbing Irving, the top Euro prospect AND Burks or Leonard would be my ideal draft. However, if the Cavs' FO is this excited about the prospect of a Irving/Williams combo that they are willing to trade 4 and 8, I can't help but be a little excited about it.

Like I said... Williams does seem to have an intangible 'it' factor. The Q would be electric for Game 1 of the regular season, that is for sure... Hell, it would be electric for Game 1 of the preseason with that kind of influx of talent.

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Old 05-28-2011, 06:17 PM   #67
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There's been a ton of luck involved for Cleveland, but if they can come out of this with 1 + 2 their GM's done a pretty impressive job. Assuming the picks pan out obviously.
I don't even think that the picks need to pan out for us to look at the situation and praise the Cleveland FO. Getting the right guy in the draft is as much luck as hitting the right numbers in the draft lottery, imo.

If Portland takes Durant, Seattle would have been thrilled to get Oden. That was just a total luck of the draw, which you need to build an elite team.

However, Gilbert has taken some of the luck out of it...

He bought a lottery pick from the Clippers, which turned out to be No. 1. Obviously, no one knew it was No. 1 at the time, but the more lottery picks you own, the better the chance that you are going to get the top pick.

Now, he is looking to buy another lottery pick simply by eating salary.

In this day and age, where most franchises are looking to disarm themselves of bad contracts, Gilbert is taking advantage of it... And, while there is a lot about his ownership that I haven't agreed with, I can't help but to be pretty fired up that we have a guy who is willing to spend a ton of money to improve the roster.

It is sort of a rarity in the NBA these days.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:17 PM   #68
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

If the Cavs can get 1,4,8 without trading and future picks that is ****ing great for them..

So Many options Irving, Williams, Kanter, Veselt, Valancious, etc


I would get Irving, Kanter and hope Vesely fall at #8

PG: Irving
SG: Rip
SF: Vesely
PF: Hickson/Jamison
C: Kanter

With B-davis, Jamison and even Gibson off the bench, not bad.


Cavs must get Kanter though.. He's a stud and an elite prospect imo.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:21 PM   #69
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If the Cavs can get 1,4,8 without trading and future picks that is ****ing great for them..

So Many options Irving, Williams, Kanter, Veselt, Valancious, etc


I would get Irving, Kanter and hope Vesely fall at #8

PG: Irving
SG: Rip
SF: Vesely
PF: Hickson/Jamison
C: Kanter

With B-davis, Jamison and even Gibson off the bench, not bad.


Cavs must get Kanter though.. He's a stud and an elite prospect imo.
Rip WILL NOT be playing in Cleveland. This is strictly a buy-out situation, if it happens. We really need to address the SG position if we keep the picks, which is why I like Burks at No. 8.

Irving/Sessions
Burks/AP(?)
Eyenga/Jamison
Hickson/Samuels
Varejao/Kanter or Valancuinas

That is a very nice young team, imo.

Let's look at it with Irving/Williams...

Irving/Sessions
AP(?)/Eyenga (can he play the 2?)
Williams/Jamison
Hickson/Samuels
Varejao/Erden/Hollins


Either way, we have drastically upgraded the roster and potential.
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:56 PM   #70
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

Looks like things are heating up or cooling down, depending on which way you look at it...

Broussard:
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:07 PM   #71
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Looks like things are heating up or cooling down, depending on which way you look at it...

Broussard:
Maybe Flynn and one of Cleveland's young bench players goes to Detroit to even it out.

Or add in Minny's 20th pick and Cleveland's 32 or w.e pick going to Detroit.

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Old 05-28-2011, 07:13 PM   #72
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Does this really surprise anyone? This is David Kahn we are talking about
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:43 PM   #73
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Maybe Flynn and one of Cleveland's young bench players goes to Detroit to even it out.

Or add in Minny's 20th pick and Cleveland's 32 or w.e pick going to Detroit.
Sessions could be in play, here, if the Pistons want him. With Irving coming in and Baron serving as his mentor, there isn't a ton of room for Ramon on the roster.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:52 PM   #74
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Default Re: Rumor: 3 Team Trade (CLE-MIN-DET): CLE get #2 too

I like the deal with Sessions added to it.

Minnesota make out like the real winners here though, turning a player (Williams) they don't need into 2 players that can fill positional needs.
At 4, they can take Kanter and at 8 Biyombo. They may wan to take Walker or Burks with one of those picks.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:53 PM   #75
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Sessions could be in play, here, if the Pistons want him. With Irving coming in and Baron serving as his mentor, there isn't a ton of room for Ramon on the roster.

pistons have stuckey(if they resign him) and bynum they don't need sessions
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