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Old 05-21-2013, 10:16 AM   #1741
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How? Dlh was at his absolute peak... PAC wasn't even close

Mosley's fights vs Oscar were both close. (but yeah a win is a win I guess) In the second fight vs Oscar he admitted that he was on steroids. (*) I'm just saying that I am more impressed by JMM's KO win. At the age of 39, Marquez ended Pacquiao's reign.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:27 AM   #1742
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The thing is, all of the 3 Mexican legends and pacs greatness are intertwined because they are all each others best wins/fights

They're like the 00's version of Duran, Leonard, Hearns and Hagler.

If only JMM fought Morales.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:02 PM   #1743
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Mosley's fights vs Oscar were both close. (but yeah a win is a win I guess) In the second fight vs Oscar he admitted that he was on steroids. (*) I'm just saying that I am more impressed by JMM's KO win. At the age of 39, Marquez ended Pacquiao's reign.
Mosley was the first fighter to clearly beat DLH. That matters quite a bit.

JMM's fights against Pacquiao (all of them help his legacy) may have an edge over Mosley's wins over DLH, because DLH was never as great as Pacquiao was... But outside of those fights, Mosley's legacy is superior to JMM's.

Like I said... He absolutely dominated the lightweight division before fighting DLH. He was 34-0 and was forced to move up, not because he had to, but because he had no competition at 140 or below.

Mosley had a hell of a legacy before he stepped in against Oscar. He followed that dominance up by becoming the first man to clearly beat DLH. He was 38-0 before the Vernon Forest fights and against elite competition. Then he later beat the likes of Fernando Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga when Mayorga was the champ at 154, demolished Margarito when he was champ at 154...


I was a big fan of Barrera and Morales, but neither of those guys have the resume to stack up against Mosley. If you want to argue JMM, I guess that's reasonable (still wrong, but at least an argument can be made)... But not the others.

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Cheating is cheating man.. You're telling me a boxer who has a hammer in his gloves is more of a cheat than a boxer strong as Hulk? Both are equally unacceptable and there should be no double standards.

Ah, yes. There is a huge difference.

Beating someone with a blunt object in what is supposed to be a boxing match in comparison to a guy taking EPO, which helps endurance? Not close to the same thing.

Furthermore, even if you take away Mosley's second win against DLH, it wouldn't change his position much. His legacy goes far beyond one fight, whereas Margarito's career is directly tied to a couple of big fights and his biggest win (Cotto) appears to be the result of said blunt object.

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Old 05-21-2013, 08:45 PM   #1744
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JMM's fights against Pacquiao (all of them help his legacy) may have an edge over Mosley's wins over DLH, because DLH was never as great as Pacquiao was... But outside of those fights, Mosley's legacy is superior to JMM's.

Like I said... He absolutely dominated the lightweight division before fighting DLH. He was 34-0 and was forced to move up, not because he had to, but because he had no competition at 140 or below.

Mosley had a hell of a legacy before he stepped in against Oscar. He followed that dominance up by becoming the first man to clearly beat DLH. He was 38-0 before the Vernon Forest fights and against elite competition. Then he later beat the likes of Fernando Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga when Mayorga was the champ at 154, demolished Margarito when he was champ at 154...

I was a big fan of Barrera and Morales, but neither of those guys have the resume to stack up against Mosley. If you want to argue JMM, I guess that's reasonable (still wrong, but at least an argument can be made)... But not the others.

Aside from Leija, who are the other notable opponents did Mosley beat at lightweight??? Those guy's weren't elite competition. Morales and Barrera fought way better competition at the lower weights than Mosley did and their wins against each other alone is better than any of Mosley's win at lightweight.

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Ah, yes. There is a huge difference.

Beating someone with a blunt object in what is supposed to be a boxing match in comparison to a guy taking EPO, which helps endurance? Not close to the same thing.

Furthermore, even if you take away Mosley's second win against DLH, it wouldn't change his position much. His legacy goes far beyond one fight, whereas Margarito's career is directly tied to a couple of big fights and his biggest win (Cotto) appears to be the result of said blunt object.

I agree that without a doubt Mosley has a better legacy than Margarito, but since everyone is assuming that Margarito fought with plaster in his gloves even before the Mosley fight can we also assume that Mosley was on roids even before his 1st De La Hoya fight? BTW, Mosley didn't just took EPO he took a couple more stronger shit than that. Look it up. Like I've said, any form of cheating is cheating to me and there should be no double standard.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:24 PM   #1745
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Golden Boy just set aside the Barclays Se 28 for a Miguel Cotto event.

So looks like Cotta/Canelo is off ... hey are saying Cotto will possibly fight the winner of Smith/Molina for the IBF strap. Canelo is looking at the winner of Lara/Angula. So, looks like Mayweather/Alexander it is ... Maybe a double card Mayweather and Canelo.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:40 AM   #1746
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Ah, yes. There is a huge difference.

Beating someone with a blunt object in what is supposed to be a boxing match in comparison to a guy taking EPO, which helps endurance? Not close to the same thing.

Furthermore, even if you take away Mosley's second win against DLH, it wouldn't change his position much. His legacy goes far beyond one fight, whereas Margarito's career is directly tied to a couple of big fights and his biggest win (Cotto) appears to be the result of said blunt object.

I agree. Bringing a weapon into the ring is worse than illegally enhancing your performance.


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Golden Boy just set aside the Barclays Se 28 for a Miguel Cotto event.

So looks like Cotta/Canelo is off ... hey are saying Cotto will possibly fight the winner of Smith/Molina for the IBF strap. Canelo is looking at the winner of Lara/Angula. So, looks like Mayweather/Alexander it is ... Maybe a double card Mayweather and Canelo.

I told ya'll way back. Damn, ya'll can call me Donstradamus.
Noice to see Canelo finally taking on the real opposition!


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fights I look forward too:

mikkel kessler vs carl froch

lucas matthysse vs danny garcia


who ya'll pick??

I have not decided yet but I'm leaning towards kessler to upset froch and garcia over matthysse
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:24 AM   #1747
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fights I look forward too:

mikkel kessler vs carl froch

lucas matthysse vs danny garcia


who ya'll pick??

I have not decided yet but I'm leaning towards kessler to upset froch and garcia over matthysse

Froch and Matthysse.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:55 AM   #1748
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too many foty candidates this year

bradley - provodnikov
alvarado - rios 2

maidana - lopez
garcia - matthyse
pacquiao - rios

good year for boxing

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Old 05-22-2013, 08:58 AM   #1749
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I don't think anyone at 168 has anything for froch other than ward(who is much closer to being number 1 p4p than I think most realize)
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:35 AM   #1750
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I very seriously doubt that mayweather fights alexander in September:

1. Nobody in the world wants to see that fight

2. It makes a lot more sense to fight a Mexican on that date

3. The guerrero promotion sucked...and the numbers weren't what they hoped for...so its time to make a splash

My prediction is mayweather-canelo or mayweather pulls out of that date all together.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:47 AM   #1751
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I don't think anyone at 168 has anything for froch other than ward(who is much closer to being number 1 p4p than I think most realize)

I think right now, nobody there can touch Ward.
But my left knee tells me, Kessler got this one.


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I very seriously doubt that mayweather fights alexander in September:

1. Nobody in the world wants to see that fight

2. It makes a lot more sense to fight a Mexican on that date

3. The guerrero promotion sucked...and the numbers weren't what they hoped for...so its time to make a splash

My prediction is mayweather-canelo or mayweather pulls out of that date all together.

September is a mexican month too?? I thought Cinco de Mayo is like their main thing?

I think Alexander is an OK fight. Way better than this garbage fighter Guerrero. But the question would be why not Bradley... you now, the one who made Alexander quite like a bitch

I'd go if Floyd takes Canelo at 154!! But I don't think that it'll happen...

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:55 AM   #1752
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I very seriously doubt that mayweather fights alexander in September:

1. Nobody in the world wants to see that fight

2. It makes a lot more sense to fight a Mexican on that date

3. The guerrero promotion sucked...and the numbers weren't what they hoped for...so its time to make a splash

My prediction is mayweather-canelo or mayweather pulls out of that date all together.

Nobody wanted to see Mayweather-Guerrero either yet it happened.

I think Floyd will fight Devon or Amir.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:56 AM   #1753
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I think Alexander is an OK fight. Way better than this garbage fighter Guerrero. But the question would be why not Bradley... you now, the one who made Alexander quite like a bitch

top rank and golden boy

if we are going to strictly go golden boy/showtime.. i'd prefer in order: canelo, matthysse/garcia, heck even amir khan. i don't like the way alexander fights top class opponents. i want alexander to dominate a legit contender again before fighting mayweather.

i hope they match up keith thurman against one of the big names this year, i think he's ready. or rather, i wanna see what he's really made of
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top rank and golden boy

if we are going to strictly go golden boy/showtime.. i'd prefer in order: canelo, matthysse/garcia, heck even amir khan. i don't like the way alexander fights top class opponents.

i hope they match up keith thurman against one of the big names this year, i think he's ready. or rather, i wanna see what he's really made of

amen.

that's what I've been saying. Me, I even prefer seeing Maidana getting this payday than Alexander
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amen.

that's what I've been saying. Me, I even prefer seeing Maidana getting this payday than Alexander

oh i almost forgot about maidana... but he'd make floyd the least amount of money. those 3 have at least some sort of name recognition
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