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Old 10-21-2013, 08:43 PM   #2296
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Alvarado knew he's in deep shit.



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Provodnikov vs. Matthysse, make is happen.


that could be possible, provodnikov is not promoted by top rank
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Old 10-21-2013, 10:17 PM   #2297
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:00 AM   #2298
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I love to see Provodnikov vs. Garcia and Matthyse.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:20 AM   #2299
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Alvarado knew he's in deep shit.



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Old 10-22-2013, 01:48 AM   #2300
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that could be possible, provodnikov is not promoted by top rank

Top rank will be co-promoting his next fight because of the deal made for the Alvarado fight. He could fight mathysse or another golden boy fighter after that but i doubt his promoter will stray from hbo after the opportunities they've given him. Hopefully hbo and golden boy make up sometime in 2014. It's gotta happen at some point. Showtime's budget for boxing isn't going to triple every year like it did this year.
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Old 10-22-2013, 02:07 AM   #2301
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Top rank will be co-promoting his next fight because of the deal made for the Alvarado fight. He could fight mathysse or another golden boy fighter after that but i doubt his promoter will stray from hbo after the opportunities they've given him. Hopefully hbo and golden boy make up sometime in 2014. It's gotta happen at some point. Showtime's budget for boxing isn't going to triple every year like it did this year.
His options are low. Rios, JJM and rematches with Tim B and Mile High. Roach said Manny is out the window.


And I don't see why Showtime wont continue to make a profit next year? Schafer did his thing this year. The three most anticipated matches of the year, he made happen when 95% of people didn't think it would happen. Mayweather/Canelo, Garcia/Matthysse and the upcoming Broner/Maidana PPV.


Canelo, Broner, Garcia, Matthysse, Mares, Cruz, ect will only be bigger next year, with Canelo, Broner, and Garcia being much bigger.

Next year expect to see Broner/Garcia and Mares/Cruz somewhere down the line.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:14 PM   #2302
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Carlos Moliana vs Victor Ortiz is off, IBF did not approve of this match.

I just checked the IBF rankings at 154 and there is no #1 or #2 ranked fighter. #3 is Damian Jonak and #4 is Sergei Rabchenko. Don't know any of them. Jermell Charlo is ranked #5 so he may get the shot in December. Or find an opponent for Ortiz, I say Amir Khan.

If not, they need to move Trou/Lara to the PPV.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:23 PM   #2303
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His options are low. Rios, JJM and rematches with Tim B and Mile High. Roach said Manny is out the window.


And I don't see why Showtime wont continue to make a profit next year? Schafer did his thing this year. The three most anticipated matches of the year, he made happen when 95% of people didn't think it would happen. Mayweather/Canelo, Garcia/Matthysse and the upcoming Broner/Maidana PPV.


Canelo, Broner, Garcia, Matthysse, Mares, Cruz, ect will only be bigger next year, with Canelo, Broner, and Garcia being much bigger.

Next year expect to see Broner/Garcia and Mares/Cruz somewhere down the line.

I didn't say showtime isn't doing well. I just said that they probably don't want to triple their boxing budget again. They certainly didn't triple the amount of their subscribers. . Golden boy has a deep roster of talented fighters...a lot of al Haymon fighters who demand rich purses. There's only so many dates they can have in a year. That's why eventually something will have to give and hbo and golden boy will have some kind of makeup.
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Old 10-22-2013, 10:29 PM   #2304
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I didn't say showtime isn't doing well. I just said that they probably don't want to triple their boxing budget. Golden boy has a deep roster of talented fighters...a lot of al Haymon fighters who demand rich purses. There's only so many dates they can have in a year. That's why eventually something will have to give and hbo and golden boy will have some kind of makeup.
Golden Boy has a show on Fox Sports, they've been running those instead of the usual ShoBox episodes every Friday. They only have 3 more events this year, Bernard Hopkins-Marut this weekend, one in November with Devon Alexander and one in December with Zab/Paulie. The Broner/Maidana doesn't go towards the Showtime budget since it's a PPV card.

With HBO, it's more than Top Rank, it's basically everyone but Golden Boy.

And their boxing budge might get some more juice with the success of the Mayweather/Canelo PPV. And if Broner/Maidana does better than Bradley/JMM, that will help too.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:50 AM   #2305
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GOLDEN BOY vs TOP RANK 2013

On March 20th, Golden Boy and HBO parted ways. These are the match-ups that top place afterwards. Who wins?



TOP RANK/HBO

Mar 29
Brandon Rios/Mike Alvarado II

Apr 5
Zou Shiming/Eleazar Valenzuela

Apr 12
Nonito Donaire/Guillermo Rigondeaux

Jun 15
Mikey Garcia/Juan Manuel Lopez

Jul 27
Zou Shiming/Jesus Ortega

Sep 28
Julio Cesear Chavez/Bryan Vera and Adonis Stevenson/Tavoris Cloud

Oct 5
Miguel Cotto/Delvin Rodriguez

Oct 12 PPV
Timothy Bradley/Juan Manuel Marquez

Oct 19
Mike Alvarado/Ruslan Provadnicov

Nov 9
Rocky Martinez/Mikey Garcia and Nonito Donaire/Vic Darchinyan

Nov 23 PPV
Manny Pacquiao/Brandon Rios

Dec 7
Guillermo Rigondeaux/Joseph Agbeko


GOLDEN BOY

Apr 20
Canelo Alvarez/Austin Trout

Apr 27
Danny Garcia/Zab Judah and Amir Khan/Julio Diaz

May 3 PPV
Floyd Mayweather/Robert Guerrero

May 18
Lamont Peterson/Lucas Matthysse

June 8
Marcos Maidana/Josesito Lopez

June 22
Adrien Broner/Paulie Maliginaggi

July 19
Mikey Bey/John Molina

Jul 27
Andre Berto/Jesus Sotto Karas

Aug 9
Deontay Wilder/Siarhei Liakhovich

Aug 28
Abner Mares/Jhonny Gonzalez

Sep 7
Seth Mitchell/Chris Arreola

Sep 14 PPV
Floyd Mayweather/Canelo Alvarez and Danny Garcia Lucas Matthysse

Oct 26
Bernard Hopkins/Karo Marut

Nov 30
Devon Alexander/Shawn Porter

Dec 7
Zab Judah/Paulie Maliginaggi and Erislandy Lara/Austin Trout

Dec 14 PPV
Adrien Broner/Marcos Maidana
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:51 AM   #2306
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GOLDEN BOY vs TOP RANK 2013

On March 20th, Golden Boy and HBO parted ways. These are the match-ups that top place afterwards. Who wins?



TOP RANK/HBO

Mar 29
Brandon Rios/Mike Alvarado II

Apr 5
Zou Shiming/Eleazar Valenzuela

Apr 12
Nonito Donaire/Guillermo Rigondeaux

Jun 15
Mikey Garcia/Juan Manuel Lopez

Jul 27
Zou Shiming/Jesus Ortega

Sep 28
Julio Cesear Chavez/Bryan Vera and Adonis Stevenson/Tavoris Cloud

Oct 5
Miguel Cotto/Delvin Rodriguez

Oct 12 PPV
Timothy Bradley/Juan Manuel Marquez

Oct 19
Mike Alvarado/Ruslan Provadnicov

Nov 9
Rocky Martinez/Mikey Garcia and Nonito Donaire/Vic Darchinyan

Nov 23 PPV
Manny Pacquiao/Brandon Rios

Dec 7
Guillermo Rigondeaux/Joseph Agbeko


GOLDEN BOY

Apr 20
Canelo Alvarez/Austin Trout

Apr 27
Danny Garcia/Zab Judah and Amir Khan/Julio Diaz

May 3 PPV
Floyd Mayweather/Robert Guerrero

May 18
Lamont Peterson/Lucas Matthysse

June 8
Marcos Maidana/Josesito Lopez

June 22
Adrien Broner/Paulie Maliginaggi

July 19
Mikey Bey/John Molina

Jul 27
Andre Berto/Jesus Sotto Karas

Aug 9
Deontay Wilder/Siarhei Liakhovich

Aug 28
Abner Mares/Jhonny Gonzalez

Sep 7
Seth Mitchell/Chris Arreola

Sep 14 PPV
Floyd Mayweather/Canelo Alvarez and Danny Garcia Lucas Matthysse

Oct 26
Bernard Hopkins/Karo Marut

Nov 30
Devon Alexander/Shawn Porter

Dec 7
Zab Judah/Paulie Maliginaggi and Erislandy Lara/Austin Trout

Dec 14 PPV
Adrien Broner/Marcos Maidana

HBO has the better names

Golden Boy has the better fights
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:56 AM   #2307
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HBO has the better names

Golden Boy has the better fights
If we're just talking Top Rank/Golden Boy, GB beats them.

Top names for TR are Pac Man and Bradley and Donaire and Chavez Jr. JJM and Cotto are promoted by themselves, just partner with TR (like Mayweather with GB.) Cotto has one more fight on his TR partnership as he was with GB up until a few months back (Trout and Mayweather fights.)


GB top names are Canelo/Broner/Garcia/Hopkins.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:14 AM   #2308
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In my opinion, overall Golden Boy has the best stable of fighters right now.

I still prefer HBO's boxing production much better than Showtime's.

Also, don't sleep on K2 Promotions..They are starting to have a lot of success in the US Market. They have Golovkin who is the most exciting fighter on the planet to me and Lomachenko, who could be one of the top 5 talents in the sport. HBO will be pushing both heavily.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #2309
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I didn't say showtime isn't doing well. I just said that they probably don't want to triple their boxing budget again. They certainly didn't triple the amount of their subscribers. . Golden boy has a deep roster of talented fighters...a lot of al Haymon fighters who demand rich purses. There's only so many dates they can have in a year. That's why eventually something will have to give and hbo and golden boy will have some kind of makeup.
Exactly. Very well put and thanks for saying it. One thing I notice that I find ridiculous is that Golden Boy has fanboys. Like really? You dick ride a promotional company? If anything, promoters have "killed" boxing as much as anything else. Like they'll diss every top rank move but Golden Boy can do no wrong. It's crazy. Are we really at the point where we are picking sides between promoters?

Fans need to understand, that it would be so much better for the Fans and Golden Boy if they got back on the good graces of HBO. GBP pretty much shot themselves in the foot. They went Showtime exclusively even before HBO gave them the boot. As you said, it hurts GBP with lack of dates, and smaller budget combined with a good stable of fighters.

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The Broner/Maidana doesn't go towards the Showtime budget since it's a PPV card.


Lol of course it does, it's a Showtime PPV. Who do you think is doing all the production? Why do you think they made that Canelo fight happen so fast? They lost money with the Guerrero PPV. But I'm sure the Canelo fight helped them recoup.

I could care less who is promoting the fight, just give me good matchups. That's all I care to see.
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:24 PM   #2310
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140 lbs is where the action is at, and GBP has the edge. top rank only edged a bit closer with the provodnikov-alvarado-rios stuff.
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