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Old 07-10-2011, 01:43 AM   #61
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Erislandy won the fight. It was a robbery. I think Williams is officially done as a contender. Impressive win from Rios and Bute. I want to see them fight Khan and Pavlik in their respective divisions.

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Old 07-10-2011, 02:22 AM   #62
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When I heard the 114-114 score first, I thought wow, what was that judge watching. That score turned out to be the best one. I feel bad for Lara. Williams looked shot.

Rios is a beast. He's knocking out all the top 135 guys. It's too bad Guerrero and Soto are both moving up to 140 and Marquez is fighting Pac. Rios might as well move up to 140. I don't know what he was thinking calling out Barrerra though. Rios vs. Maidana/Mathysse/Bradley at 140 would be awesome to watch.
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Old 07-10-2011, 03:48 AM   #63
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I'm not going to say that this was the worst decision that I've ever seen in boxing history, because there have been some really, really awful ones, but it is difficult to get much worse than that.

Lara had Williams beaten and battered by Round 8, to the point where I was literally flinching and wincing every time one of those straight lefts snapped Paul's head back.

Let's be clear... Lara didn't just 'win' this fight... He quite literally beat up Williams. I'd really like to have a conversation with those judges to hear exactly how they came up with those scores.

The term 'robbery' is overused in boxing and, a lot of times, totally misused. There are fights that may seem to be favoring one guy, but a lot of close rounds can lead the judges to favor a particular style over a guy that is winning his rounds more clearly. This was not one of those fights and, yes... The term 'robbery' most definitely applies.

One judge had it 116-114 for Williams...

I would really like to hear his rationale on that score, in particular. What a joke.


The worst decision I have ever seen is Courtney Burton's SD win over Emanuel Augustus several years ago. This one isn't quite as bad as that one, but it isn't far off.


Another thing... The notion that guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao were 'afraid' of Williams or that he is/was the most feared guy in boxing is an utter joke. Those guys didn't fight him years ago because it made no sense to. He wasn't a draw and, at the end of the day, this is a business.

But, Williams always had flaws. Can you imagine what Pacquiao's straight left would do to Williams? It would be worse than what he did to Hatton.

And, can you imagine Floyd countering those wild, looping inside shots? Or, him catching Paul with shots as he rushes inside?


It is sort of funny that the two most 'feared' guys from a few years ago (Williams and Margarito) have been completely and totally exposed as inherently flawed.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:21 AM   #64
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Williams/Lara summarizes why I never bet on boxing.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:31 PM   #65
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The dude just needs to avoid fighting southpaws or slick boxer types.

He needs to run as far away from Martinez as possible. Though Lara deserves a rematch, it would be in the best interest of Paul if that didn't happen.

While it's true that Paul's stamina really plummeted in the Lara fight, I think that was due to him chasing Lara around and eating all those straight left hands.

It's clear that Paul has trouble defending against the left hand from a southpaw, and it's also clear that he struggles against slick fighters who potshot. But there's plenty of opponents at 154/160 who don't fit that description and who can give us some great fights.

Cotto, Alvarez, Chavez Jr., Angulo, Margarito rematch, Wolak, etc... All would be fun fights to watch.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:54 AM   #66
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Williams/Lara summarizes why I never bet on boxing.


I just watched it and that was an atrocious decision.

I don't see how anyone can justify that that mess.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:44 PM   #67
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I have a problem with them suspending the judges.

There were 6 rounds that I felt could've gone either way in the fight:

Rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12

This sets a bad precedent. Pretty soon every close decision might result in suspended judges. It should be a complete and total robbery for them to suspend judges: Holyfield/Lewis I, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Shumenov/Campillo II, Whitaker/Chavez, De La Hoya/Sturm, etc.

Fights in which there was no possible way one fighter could have won 6 rounds.

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Old 07-13-2011, 08:05 PM   #68
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I have a problem with them suspending the judges.

There were 6 rounds that I felt could've gone either way in the fight:

Rounds 2, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12

This sets a bad precedent. Pretty soon every close decision might result in suspended judges. It should be a complete and total robbery for them to suspend judges: Holyfield/Lewis I, Casamayor/Santa Cruz, Shumenov/Campillo II, Whitaker/Chavez, De La Hoya/Sturm, etc.

Fights in which there was no possible way one fighter could have won 6 rounds.

we must have been watching a different fight then.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:18 PM   #69
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we must have been watching a different fight then.
I scored the fight for Lara, but I don't regard the fight as a robbery.

If there's at least 6 rounds that were close enough to have gone either way, I don't consider those fights robberies.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:25 PM   #70
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I scored the fight for Lara, but I don't regard the fight as a robbery.

If there's at least 6 rounds that were close enough to have gone either way, I don't consider those fights robberies.

that is not true.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:35 PM   #71
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that is not true.
Can you list 7 rounds that you thought Lara won without question?

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y91YQOPR

Here's a link to the fight if you want to rescore it.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:56 AM   #72
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Marco Huck stopped Garay in the 10th round.

Juan Manuel Marquez scored a sensational Knockdown on Ramos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuAD5elt-Y
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:25 PM   #73
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Amir Khan vs. Zab Judah

Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:39 PM   #74
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Amir Khan vs. Zab Judah

Tyson Fury vs. Dereck Chisora

I'm certainly gonna be tuned in. Thx for the reminder
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:47 PM   #75
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Just watched a special on Sugar Ray Robinson.
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