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Old 09-08-2012, 11:25 PM   #751
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Can't believe he quit. Wow.
He was beatin his ass. I would have quit too lol.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:28 PM   #752
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when you have to say you quit rather than the ref just stoping it, damn that sux
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:33 PM   #753
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Ward should be top 3 P4P, maybe top 2.
Yea, I'd put him over manny and behind flyod.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:34 PM   #754
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The more Antonio DeMarco wins, the more boxing fans should realize that Edwin Valero was the truth.

He would've cleaned up 140 if he were still alive today.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:54 PM   #755
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Ward is pretty easily the best non Floyd/manny fighter going right now and I'd say he's probably better than manny at this point. He reminds me so much of a prime Bhop it's scary.
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Old 09-09-2012, 12:48 AM   #756
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Disappointing fight. I always thought there was little substance to the hype around Dawson.

Ward is the real deal.
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Old 09-09-2012, 02:04 AM   #757
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Damn Ward beat that a$$. Word has it that when Smoger asked Chad what he wanted to do, Chad said, "Get me the f*ck out of here."

And Broner should stay as far away from Mathysse as possible.

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Old 09-09-2012, 11:53 PM   #758
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I've been touting Ward for a long, long time. It is about time that he starts getting his due.

There has never been a gold medal winning American Olympian who is an undefeated champion as a pro that really hasn't had a close fight and has beaten a lot of stiff competition quite easily with less hype in my lifetime. Usually, guys like Ward are the sport's golden boys.

I think a lot of the reason why is because he fought on Showtime for so long and they do a horrible job of promoting their boxing events and the fact that the Super Six tournament lasted so long and all of the guys involved literally couldn't set up their own fights against big-name guys.

Whatever the reason, his talent is clear.

Here is a guy who isn't the fastest or hardest puncher, doesn't have any single physical gift that pops out at you, but he just knows how to win. He is one of the great ring generals in the game, his defense is very good and his in-fight adjustments are second only to Floyd Mayweather Jr.

It took him about three rounds to figure out Chad Dawson -- a very good fighter in his own right. He was setting up the punch that put Dawson down the first time right from the opening bell. And, once he had Dawson hurt, he didn't lose his cool and go all-out for the kill. He maintained himself, continued fighting his fight and eventually got the stoppage.


I'm a big fan and I thought Ward would win, but I thought it would be a pretty close fight and Dawson would have his moments. But, that was utter domination and it was a statement to the boxing world. I agree with you, Don, he is the No. 2 p4p fighter in the world right now and knocking on the door of being No. 1.

Only Floyd and Manny can argue being above him. He's that next really great fighter that will be winning for a long time. He just has a style that isn't going to go away anytime soon.

Love watching that guy fight.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:55 PM   #759
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Disappointing fight. I always thought there was little substance to the hype around Dawson.

Ward is the real deal.
There is substance to Dawson. He is a very good fighter. He is both a physical specimen and a skilled fighter. What you saw last night is what happens when a very good fighter goes against a great fighter.

Ward's accomplishments should no longer go unnoticed. He is a legitimate force.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:02 AM   #760
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There is substance to Dawson. He is a very good fighter. He is both a physical specimen and a skilled fighter. What you saw last night is what happens when a very good fighter goes against a great fighter.

Ward's accomplishments should no longer go unnoticed. He is a legitimate force.
The question for him now is where does he go from here? He's cleaned out 168 and honestly none of those fights were competitive enough to deserve a rematch. Pascal makes some sense but other than that and/or if Martinez impressively beats jcc jr and wants to come up I just don't see a big fight that's left for him.

Then again If you get to be a big enough star it doesn't matter who's on the other side
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:17 AM   #761
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The question for him now is where does he go from here? He's cleaned out 168 and honestly none of those fights were competitive enough to deserve a rematch. Pascal makes some sense but other than that and/or if Martinez impressively beats jcc jr and wants to come up I just don't see a big fight that's left for him.

Then again If you get to be a big enough star it doesn't matter who's on the other side
He has some options. There is always the winner of Martinez/JCCJr. (he would annihilate either). Pascal isn't a terrible choice.

I could maybe see a rematch with Froch, except on HBO which would do a much better job of hyping it. Plus, Froch is coming off of smashing Bute, so you have that angle. Froch really was never a threat to Ward despite the semi-close judging, but it is at least a feasible rematch.

HBO could even hype up a guy like Tavoris Cloud enough to make it interesting to the general public (two undefeated American fighters), even though a fight wouldn't be close.

I don't know... he is so good right now, people should just watch to see a great fighter.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:20 AM   #762
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pretty crazy that he hasnt lost since he was 12 years old
gawd damn
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:28 AM   #763
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He has some options. There is always the winner of Martinez/JCCJr. (he would annihilate either). Pascal isn't a terrible choice.

I could maybe see a rematch with Froch, except on HBO which would do a much better job of hyping it. Plus, Froch is coming off of smashing Bute, so you have that angle. Froch really was never a threat to Ward despite the semi-close judging, but it is at least a feasible rematch.

HBO could even hype up a guy like Tavoris Cloud enough to make it interesting to the general public (two undefeated American fighters), even though a fight wouldn't be close.

I don't know... he is so good right now, people should just watch to see a great fighter.

I think Dirrell could challenge him a bit with his awesome speed, reflexes, but Ward would still win. Other than him, there's nobody left at 168 really, unless he waits for some of the young undefeated prospects at 168 like Thomas Oosthuizen, Edwin Rodriguez, or George Groves to emerge as a contender but none of them really have a chance against Ward.
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:05 AM   #764
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I don't think Dirrell could handle Ward's pressure, he would fold. He would have nightmares of Ward for the rest of his life just like Chad is going to. I honestly think that fight ruined Chad's career. He should have just waited at 175 until Ward moved up..even though he would still lose, he wouldn't lose like that, and he would still be able to keep his dignity.

There's really no one with the mix of power/speed/stamina to compete with Ward right now. ALL the middleweights are too small, Bhop is too old, Pascal can't last, Bute is wtf, etc. I guess a Froch rematch is the best fight for Ward b/c of how crazy tough Froch is. He has two out of the three(stamina/power).
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:08 AM   #765
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I don't think Dirrell could handle Ward's pressure, he would fold. He would have nightmares of Ward for the rest of his life just like Chad is going to. I honestly think that fight ruined Chad's career. He should have just waited at 175 until Ward moved up..even though he would still lose, he wouldn't lose like that, and he would still be able to keep his dignity.

There's really no one with the mix of power/speed/stamina to compete with Ward right now. ALL the middleweights are too small, Bhop is too old, Pascal can't last, Bute is wtf, etc. I guess a Froch rematch is the best fight for Ward b/c of how crazy tough Froch is. He has two out of the three(stamina/power).
Chad is still champ. He hasn't ruined his career. Let's see how he comes back rom this in his next fight bck at 175.
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