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Old 05-13-2013, 06:04 PM   #1366
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not for long..they'll prolly match him up with rigo soon

And I'm fine with that. He's 37, a champ in 3 Divisions (I think its 3?), arguable HOFer. That would be a fight where he would have a shot if he can land a few of his punches. Don't get me wrong, he'll probably be a 8-to-1 underdog, and most likely lose by UD, but if he can get a just a three punch flurry, think he could pull the upset.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:44 PM   #1367
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Random question, if I were to buy tickets for a big fight.. say a Mayweather fight next year or sometime, what would the ballpark price be for seats? Most likely the fight would be at the MGM Grand. Anyone know any prices?

For common folks, they're unaffordable. I believe lowest ticket for that last fight $100. However, you can wait until the fight is like a week or a few days away and tickets can be had for under retail using sites like seatgeek.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:56 PM   #1368
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Pascal vs. Bute has been rescheduled for December 7th or January 25th of next year.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:49 AM   #1369
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Guys, Mayweather is gonna fight Canelo ... just not this September.

Mayweather wants him to build his fan base. He's never ever headlined a PPV. He wants it to be as huge as it can be.

The earliest this fight happens is September of next year, but I'm thinkin' May 2015.

By then, Canelo can have fights with Cotto (his first PPV), Lara/Angulo winner and Victor Ortiz. IF he wins out like he's supposed too, he'll be even bigger than he is now.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:54 AM   #1370
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maybe because Floyd had trouble with Cotto who's a weaker fighter than Trout

If Floyd takes him, it would be a great move imho!

But I doubt that we can agree here on anything since you're one of the very rare people who think Guerrero is a more dangerous fighter than Canelo...
I never said that.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:15 AM   #1371
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I agree, and Canelo is willing to drop to 150 right now.
According to... his trainer?

I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Sr. would say Floyd is willing to do and who he would fight. I wonder if anyone would take anything he said seriously? You are believing what you want to believe and disregarding the rest.

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Man, I don't give a damn even if it was Jesus who wrote that article. Jesus is not a member of Canelo's team what the fukk does he know? Now Canelo's trainer Chepo Reynoso, (This isn't some obscure random crackhead trainer here) confirmed that they did propose the idea of having a catch-weight, which Mayweather rejected. Who should I believe here? Fat Dan or the trainer?

Trainers have a vested interest in having you believe a specific narrative. They're probably the most biased source you can talk to. Things trainers say should always be taken with an enormous grain of salt.

I'm sure if it were Floyd Sr. making the comments, you'd buy into them 100-percent, right?


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C'mon man.. Your opinion and feelings =/= TRUTH. Canelo has been wanting to fight Floyd for quite some time now and everyone knows it.
It doesn't really matter what Canelo wants. He is fighting under GBP and he has a team behind him who makes fights happen or not happen. He is still just 22. They would have very solid reasons for not wanting to make the fight happen.

Unlike the people who despise Floyd, I'm not saying Canelo is personally frightened of fighting Mayweather. That is silly, just like it's silly when people say it on the other side of the equation.

There are a lot of variables that go into making a fight.

Furthermore, you are the pot calling the kettle black. Rafael clearly stated in his article that Canelo doesn't want to fight below 154. You flatly refuse to believe it and, instead, are going all-in on whatever Alvarez's trainer has to say.

Funny, because I could easily find a conflicting quote from Mayweather's trainer.

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I don't see him being a problem for Floyd... The weight doesn't matter [with the fight being at 154].

http://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-may...-canelo--65400

So, since you buy into whatever a trainer says, the weight doesn't matter to Floyd, right? Or, is it case sensitive? Do you only believe Canelo's trainers now?

There is a clear conflict in what they're saying.

As for the article you posted, it has no bearing on current negotiations. When is the last time Mayweather or any other fighter who was considered the biggest PPV draw in the sport (Pacquiao, for instance) had a guaranteed clause for more than the most immediate fight on the table?

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Did Fat Dan even quoted Canelo? No. He just said it. When was the last time he heard Canelo's team talking about Canelo not wanting to move down in weight? Sure, Canelo may not be willing to fight below 154 at some point in time, but NOW he's willing to, and again it's the only thing that matters.

Why would he say it publicly? Legitimate negotiations aren't done through quotes in the press, which is why I'm questioning Alvarez's trainer going to the press this soon in talks.

Fighters, trainers, promoters, etc. will always present one picture to the public at-large and negotiations are completely separate from that behind closed doors. Why is that a difficult concept to understand?

I don't believe Canelo's team in what they say to the press any more than I do Floyd's team. I put no stock in what Floyd Sr. or Roger say publicly. It means nothing.

Now, a writer with connections to people on the inside of negotiations reporting on something without bias? Yeah, I'll take that all day, every day. So should you.

It is hard for me to imagine you just believe everything that comes out of Canelo's camp. If that really is the case, I'm going to assume you feel the same way about Floyd's camp.

If so, I'll contribute a bunch more quotes. It is hard for me to believe you honestly take that stance, though, so I'm not going to waste my time.

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Old 05-14-2013, 01:21 AM   #1372
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The bottom line is that Floyd's camp wants the fight to be @ 147 and Canelo's camp declined. That's cheap as hell. Floyd's a champ @ 154.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:23 AM   #1373
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it's pointless.. RBA will defend floyd at all cost


anyway floyd is a 154lb champion and should be able to convincingly beat canelo @ 154, while canelo has previosly fought at a catchweight against mathew hatton.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:29 AM   #1374
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How much more ready does he need to be? This is a win win situation for Canelo, any way you slice it. If he wins, he beats the top guy. If he loses, he loses to the top guy.
I would say he has quite a bit to lose. Canelo is on the verge of breaking through into the American mainstream. He can be that kind of action fighter that people love. He is objectively handsome, has charisma, punches pretty hard (which people love), is beloved by his fellow countrymen, seems well spoken, etc.

He is really a perfect foil for Mayweather's evil persona, maybe even moreso than Pacquiao was, assuming he can continue to improve his English.

The risk in fighting Mayweather this soon is taking all that potential for true popular culture stardom in the US (and everything that comes along with it) and throwing your chips in very early in a fighter's career.

Depending on how the fight goes, that potential could be completely wiped away. He could also KO Mayweather and become an immediate hero, but to act like there is no risk for Canelo... That's crazy.

Like it or not, fighters are viewed completely differently -- especially in this country -- when they are soundly beaten, regardless of age/experience. Canelo is one of the biggest sports stars in Mexico, but the average American has no clue who he is (probably would confuse him with Blake Griffin).

That could change from now and a few fights from now. He could also become just one of the Ws on Mayweather's record, to the general sports fan in this country.

You're right... He has nothing to lose if he is content with his current level of stardom. I see opportunity for more, though, if his career is managed correctly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:33 AM   #1375
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it's pointless.. RBA will defend floyd at all cost
Not true. If Floyd truly stops this fight from happening and that is legitimately reported, I will call him out for it.

Fact is, there is a large group of people who believe Floyd is scared of his own shadow and it's silly. Their first reaction is always, "he's scared." This is another case of that, just a couple days into talks starting and before any actual news has been reported about the negotiations.

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anyway floyd is a 154lb champion and should be able to convincingly beat canelo @ 154, while canelo has previosly fought at a catchweight against mathew hatton.

I do think Floyd would beat him at 154 and I'm not a fan of catchweights. If I had my druthers, the fight would either take place at 147 or 154. Unfortunately, we now live in an age where catchweights are common (Pacquiao was the catchweight king).

I just think it's funny, once again, that the narrative is already being spun before anyone has any clue what is happening in negotiations.

I mean, do you think Rafael is lying? Do you buy everything that comes out of a trainer's mouth regarding his own fighter?

It's silly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:35 AM   #1376
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The bottom line is that Floyd's camp wants the fight to be @ 147 and Canelo's camp declined. That's cheap as hell. Floyd's a champ @ 154.
Has that been legitimately reported and verified? If so, provide the link.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:44 AM   #1377
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I say Floyd should fight him at 154 or don't fight him at all.
I understand that Canelo would have crazy advantages (youth, weight, power,..) but that's what greatness is all about.
I'd be very excited and praise Floyd to the fullest!

I think it would be incredibly ballsy for him to go all the way up to 154 and take the fight, but I also don't think it is something that people should just expect to happen. Floyd has never come into any fight close to the 154-pound limit. Yes, he has fought there a couple times, but there is a big difference between an older DLH and Cotto (who isn't nearly as big as Canelo) and fighting Alvarez there... A guy who is, quite honestly, probably too big to still be fighting at 154 in the first place and will be a full-fledged middleweight before long.

Hell, I could see Canelo being in line to fight Andre Ward down the road.

If Canelo truly is only interested in the fight at 154, I'd be disappointed if the fight couldn't be made... But I'd also understand why Floyd wouldn't want to do it. He's out-sized a lot of times at welter and he could probably easily move down to 140 if he had to. No one could objectively say Floyd is a 154-pounder. He's just not.

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Old 05-14-2013, 02:44 AM   #1378
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According to... his trainer?

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I wonder what Floyd Mayweather Sr. would say Floyd is willing to do and who he would fight. I wonder if anyone would take anything he said seriously? You are believing what you want to believe and disregarding the rest.

LMAO! Man, I am posting FACTS here, most of your posts are opinions. You are the one whose disregarding the fact that Canelo was willing to move down to 150 2 yrs ago, you're disregarding the fact that Canelo's trainer confirmed that they are willing to move down to 150 today. Why would a trainer lie about moving down in weight? There's no point.

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Trainers have a vested interest in having you believe a specific narrative. They're probably the most biased source you can talk to. Things trainers say should always be taken with an enormous grain of salt.

I'm sure if it were Floyd Sr. making the comments, you'd buy into them 100-percent, right?

I'd take a trainers word any day of the week over the media. Media are not the ones who negotiate, the fighter's team is.

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It doesn't really matter what Canelo wants. He is fighting under GBP and he has a team behind him who makes fights happen or not happen. He is still just 22. They would have very solid reasons for not wanting to make the fight happen.

Unlike the people who despise Floyd, I'm not saying Canelo is personally frightened of fighting Mayweather. That is silly, just like it's silly when people say it on the other side of the equation.

They have million$ of reasons for wanting to make the fight happen.

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There are a lot of variables that go into making a fight.

Furthermore, you are the pot calling the kettle black. Rafael clearly stated in his article that Canelo doesn't want to fight below 154. You flatly refuse to believe it and, instead, are going all-in on whatever Alvarez's trainer has to say.

Again, when was the last time he heard from team Canelo that they are not willing to fight below 154? He didn't even quote Canelo, no source whatsoever.

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Funny, because I could easily find a conflicting quote from Mayweather's trainer.

http://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-may...-canelo--65400

So, since you buy into whatever a trainer says, the weight doesn't matter to Floyd, right? Or, is it case sensitive? Do you only believe Canelo's trainers now?

There is a clear conflict in what they're saying.

Did Mayweather Sr. said something about actual negotiations in that article? Because I can't find any. You're a strong believer of opinions I see.

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As for the article you posted, it has no bearing on current negotiations. When is the last time Mayweather or any other fighter who was considered the biggest PPV draw in the sport (Pacquiao, for instance) had a guaranteed clause for more than the most immediate fight on the table?

I posted that article to show you the reason why team Canelo didn't think Floyd would fight him and not because of what you think and what you feel the reason is.

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Why would he say it publicly? Legitimate negotiations aren't done through quotes in the press, which is why I'm questioning Alvarez's trainer going to the press this soon in talks.

Fighters, trainers, promoters, etc. will always present one picture to the public at-large and negotiations are completely separate from that behind closed doors. Why is that a difficult concept to understand?

Reporters asks questions all the time. Why wouldn't he say it if it's the truth?

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I don't believe Canelo's team in what they say to the press any more than I do Floyd's team. I put no stock in what Floyd Sr. or Roger say publicly. It means nothing.

Now, a writer with connections to people on the inside of negotiations reporting on something without bias? Yeah, I'll take that all day, every day. So should you.

Can you guess who their connections are? Yeah, that's right.. people who are actually part of the negotiations you know, like trainers.

The guy who knows >>> the guy who has a connection to the guy who knows.

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It is hard for me to imagine you just believe everything that comes out of Canelo's camp. If that really is the case, I'm going to assume you feel the same way about Floyd's camp.

Man, believe me, it's even harder for me to imagine that you don't believe what Canelo's trainer has said.

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If so, I'll contribute a bunch more quotes. It is hard for me to believe you honestly take that stance, though, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Feel free, I love eating denial for breakfast.
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:48 AM   #1379
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The bottom line is that Floyd's camp wants the fight to be @ 147 and Canelo's camp declined. That's cheap as hell. Floyd's a champ @ 154.

Floyd: "I fought Cotto at 154, his most comfortable weight!"
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Floyd: "If Sergio Martinez can make 150, we can fight."
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Floyd: "If Canelo can make 147, we can fight. No catchweight."

You see what he did there?
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Old 05-14-2013, 02:52 AM   #1380
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it's pointless.. RBA will defend floyd at all cost


anyway floyd is a 154lb champion and should be able to convincingly beat canelo @ 154, while canelo has previosly fought at a catchweight against mathew hatton.

Dude, it's not pointless. I'm having a talk with the resident boxing expert here.
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