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Old 09-16-2013, 06:58 PM   #1
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Default lebron in the 2011 FInals and the Mavs D scheme

I give the mavs some credit for making James a passer instead of an agressive scorer but the part was a combination of lebron defering too much to wade and not wanting to step on his toes. This lebron "isn't/wasn't clutch" mess in 2011 was aload of BS. Aare we forgetting how 2 previous serious before the mavs finals how clutch lebron was vs better defenses in Boston and the Bulls? Im suppose to believe lebron forgot how to be clutch all of a sudden in the 1 round later?

Here is the best breakdown of what the mavs did to lebron in that series

Have Mavericks found a recipe to defend LeBron?

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In five games in the first round against Sixers LeBron averaged only 1,4 turnovers per game and his Game Score was 22,82 so either regular season numbers were a fluke or he simply had figured out Sixers’ defense.

But in the Finals against Dallas LeBron played poorly AGAIN with Game Score = 13,68 and 4 TOs per game.
EDIT: if you prefer point of view by Wins Produced the story is the same.
So here’s my question: why LeBron’s struggles are not attributed entirely to Mavs’ defense?

What’s more, basic statistics tell us one more thing:
LeBron used unusually low number of possessions for shots – his average for FGA+0,44*FTA in the Finals was 16,47 while in the regular season he averaged 22,5 IN FEWER MINUTES PER GAME.

With all that in mind I watched 3 full games in a row [3, 4 and 5] and one thing stood out for me:
Mavs’ game plan to slow down LeBron was surprisingly simple – they did everything they could to turn him into a point guard and Wade into alpha dog by following only 3 steps…

Defend Wade 1-on-1 with weaker defender as often as possible

That way he had more favorable matchup than LeBron so it was logical to run a lot of action through him.
In a related note Wade scored more points per game in the Finals than in the regular season even though he missed parts of Game 5 because of injuries.
Double-team LeBron as often as possible, especially by packing the paint on drives to the basket

That way it was a logical move for him to pass to open teammates. In a related note in those six games he attempted maximum of 4 free throws in a single game… while his regular season average was over 8!
Pressure nominal point guard so ball would go straight to LeBron

That way LeBron started possessions as a point guard… and he acted like one because it was logical for his team!


What do you think about those observations? Have I missed something?
And could this strategy work for every team or Mavs simply had right personel to execute it?

http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.c...defend-lebron/


In that interview with Skip bayless and Cuban, Cuban basically echoed this by saying that weren't going to let lebron beat them and wanted to turn him into a passer by playing defense that would force lebron to his natural instincts by making the "right play" and hitting the open man. The mvas wanted Bosh, wade and the "others" to beat them. What this did was take lebron out of attack mode and start defering too much to wade who had it going. If you watch the heat now lebron still does this when wade has it going. lebron will go into passing pg mode and not even look to shoot that much. he did this many night during the 2nd half of the 27 game win streak when wade had it going.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:12 PM   #2
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a breakdown I saw on another board about the difference in how the 2011 Mavs played lebron vs 2013 Spurs

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It wasn't quite "exactly the same". The Mavericks forced James into a strict PG role, where fullcourt pressure on any other ball handler forced the Heat to let James bring the ball down the court. Then, when James wasn't already initiating the offense by making the proper pass to the wings, they forced him to pass up the ball, either throwing a soft double at him or simply by the typical move of the big in the matchup zone to the strong side. Then, once the ball was out of his hands (the right pass Cuban was talking about), the Mavericks played ball denial on him, always covering the passing lanes to him and having a defender right there with him. What they used here was James being an underwhelming off-ball player, who really needs some space to get moving or has the urge to go to the ball. In that way they completely collapsed the spacing from James' POV, thus, even if he got the ball, he had to take tough contested shots with not much opportunities to make the right pass then (but he tried nonetheless and produced more turnovers). That kind of defensive strategy also gave Wade a lot of opportunities going 1on1, which he used and which made him look pretty good. But that was still the better option for the Mavericks than letting James do his things with the ball as the result showed.

The Spurs weren't actually forcing the ball out of James' hand, but rather forcing him towards non-desired spots on the court. They didn't use that zone defense of the Mavericks, but rather 1on1 defensive situations with the help coming from the inside. They tried to cover the passing lanes, but the better spacing still left room for James to make the correct pass. Nonetheless, the Spurs actually wanted James to be a jump shooter and to take more shots from more difficult spots, unlike the Mavericks who wanted him to take less shots, being a somewhat isolated player from the rest of his teammates. The Spurs didn't use the elements of the zone defense as much as the Mavericks, also, because they didn't quite have the players for that.
The Heat improved their spacing besides James, using Bosh as C further away from the basket and had Battier covering PF minutes. Also, they run a lot of lineups with James as the actual PF, putting the pressure on the Spurs to change up their defensive setting when Miller was in as SF. Those latter two options weren't there during the Mavericks series in 2011; where Joel Anthony got nearly 21 min per game (as comparison Chris Andersen got 10 mpg against the Spurs), and Miller was in worse conditions than in 2013. So, the defensive strategy of the Mavericks also worked well, because the Heat teammates weren't as good suited to counter it as the 2013. The series against the Mavericks might very well explain why the Heat actually used their taxpayer MLE on Battier and Allen, despite having James, Wade and Miller for those wing positions already.

The result for James looked similar in terms of shooting efficiency in those two series for a couple of games, but the defensive strategy was really different. At the end, the overall team offensive performance was also quite different, as well as James' impact on that. The Heat with James on the court played over 2 pts per 100 possessions better offensively against the Spurs, and the Spurs were in average better defensively than the 2011 Mavericks.
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Its a shame most people don't credit the Mavs D for shutting down Bron on the finals.
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Default Re: lebron in the 2011 FInals and the Mavs D scheme

I think it was a learning process for Lebron, and he's done a great deal trying to improve since then... his post game, his range, his shot selection.

Not only that, but his options outside of Bosh and Wade just weren't there compared to the last year or two. For instance, during the 27 game win-streak, like a good 40-45% of scoring came outside of the Big 3.



(more breakdown of Lebron's improvement here)
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...coring-machine

But really, I think there was some intangible elements to the defense. Shawn Marion and DeShawn Stevenson (they've beefed before) got into Lebron's head. Credit to their defensive tenacity and in-your-face performances on both ends (when those two scored on the other end I think it deflated Lebron and added to the punking). Jason Kidd too is a great defender and did a great job for his size covering wade.
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Its a shame most people don't credit the Mavs D for shutting down Bron on the finals.


it was combo of a good scheme and lebron just being passive. lebron would rather make the right play instead of forcing the issue and since wade was getting buckets, lebron never tried to force the issue.
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Old 09-16-2013, 07:22 PM   #7
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He averaged 18-7-7 on 48% shooting. These might be acceptable stats for second option on a team if the team is stacked like 2013 Heat but 2011 Heat needed lebron to either get his rebounds and/or assists in 10+ category as the bench and rest of the team was pretty weak outside of the big 3.

That 8 pt game was just bad no matter how the other team was guarding him.Also, this showed lebron's offense was limited.
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How come every superstar didn't have their stats fall off by 10ppg from regular season to playoffs against the Mavs that year then?
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Lebron
Regular season 2011: 26.7 pts on .510/.330/.759
vs Mavs: 17.8 pts on .478/.321/.600

Wade
RS: 24.8 pts on .500/.306/.758
Mavs: 26.5 pts on .546/.304/.694

Durant
RS: 27.7 pts on .462/.350/.880
Mavs: 28 pts on .429/.233/.878

Westbrook
RS: 21.9 pts on .442/.330/.842
Mavs: 23.6 pts .360/.200/.830

Kobe
RS: 25.3 on 451/.323/.828
Mavs: 23.3 on .458/.227/.800

Gasol
RS: 18.8 on .529/.333/.823
Mavs: 12.5 on .422/-/.706

Aldridge
RS: 21.8 on .500/.174/.791
Mavs: 20.8 on .461/-/.792

Lebron and Gasol were the only stars who attempted less FGs than in the regular season. I don't know if it would have been better if Lebron tried to force more, because it obviously worked out for them for the first 3 quarters in most games against the Mavs. If you just look at the stats: Who do you want to take the most shots in the last quarter? Wade or Lebron?

The Mavs defended really well against 3pointers (from star players).
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I love to see a rematch, But Dirk is an older 36 yrs.old, and he looks slower last season. Dallas also has zero interior defense since Chandler signed a contract with the Knicks.
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Great post OP. Not a LeBron guy so I don't care about the narrative one way or another, but that Mavs team gets very little respect. Nice to see a solid breakdown of what they attempted to do defensively (which obviously worked out very well for them).
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