Robert Horry is remembered as Big Shot Bob. Average role player who pulled a few clutch shots out of his ass. The random nature of statistics and dumb luck will favor someone.
um, a few? i wouldn't call robert horry's career 'dumb luck'. too many great shots throughout his career and you have to give the man credit at some point, instead of getting all vlade divac on his ass and calling it a 'lucky shot'.
Robert Horry is remembered as Big Shot Bob. Average role player who pulled a few clutch shots out of his ass. The random nature of statistics and dumb luck will favor someone.
Penny Hardaway is remebered as a guy with HOF all-time-great potential. Fact is, talent wise he was closer to Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson than he was to Kobe Bryant/LeBron James. Gotta love the whole Penny marketing campaign - he got some mileage out of that.
I think you are underrating Anfernee Hardaway... "talent wise"
In 1996 for instance... he finished #3 in MVP voting... behind only Micheal Jordan and David Robinson.... and ahead of Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, etc.
He averaged 21.7... on 51.3 FG% .... Joe Johnson or Brandon Roy have never come close to shooting that efficiently.... It took J. Johnson 20 shots a game to score 25 ppg in his best scoring season --- and the Hawks won 26 games!
Not only that, Hardaway was tallying 7 assists a game at about 37 minutes per game... His first three seasons he was putting up more assists than Brandon Roy or Johnson have ever averaged.
Hardaway had a long wingspan too, generally top-5 player in steals in his best seasons..... In 16 combined seasons, JJ and Roy have broken the 100-steals mark just once.... Penny did it 5 times.
I can understand saying he's had a lesser career.... but to say "talent wise" he was basically a Joe Johnson..... you must not have watched prime Penny Hardaway.
- Rockets era - Olajuwon (Top 5 C Player through entire NBA history)
(He traded to Suns but threw towel to Danny Ainge so He could be traded again to Lakers. )
- Lakers era - SHAQ (Top 5 C Player through entire NBA history)
- Spurs era - TD (# 1 PF through entire NBA history)
Of course, Olajuwon, SHAQ, TD were lucky,too. Because they had Horry.
- Rockets era - Olajuwon (Top 5 C Player through entire NBA history)
(He traded to Suns but threw towel to Danny Ainge so He could be traded again to Lakers. )
- Lakers era - SHAQ (Top 5 C Player through entire NBA history)
- Spurs era - TD (# 1 PF through entire NBA history)
Of course, Olajuwon, SHAQ, TD were lucky,too. Because they had Horry.
I was referring to the Vlade comment when he said the shot Horry made was luck, and Rob shot back with "he better read a paper or somthing"
The early Lakers team built around Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, & Cedric Ceballos. People think these guys sucked just because they were the group who came after Magic's retirement and before the arrival of Shaq.
Thats wrong, these guys were all good players and outside of Divac they were the original team built around Shaq. They could've won a title had they kept them together before Phil arrived.
Van Exel gets slept on for his shot selection, but he was a borderline Top 5 PG in the league with future HOFers like Stockton, Kidd, Payton, etc around
Eddie Jones was a complete player but gets slept on for Kobe taking his job.
Vlade was the best passing big man in NBA history. Name me on 1 better not in the HOF.
Does anyone even remember Cedric Ceballos in his prime? Was a good athlete, put up a double double in points & rebounds as a SG, and led the league in FG% while playing SG. Did all of this in the handcheck era where there werent any easy baskets to the hoop. He had 3 knee surgeries and his career fizzled out.
Basically nothing but Knicks players. For such a major team a lot of our guys are rembered poorly.
Allan Houston- People forget how good of a shooter he was and only focus on the contract he got and his knee giving out on him. Yeah he got overpaid but he basically was a borderline All Star player who you could trust to take the last basket.
Latrell Spreewell- Known only for choking his coach & saying he "cant feed his family" on $7 Million per year. But people dont realize he was a Top 5 SG for a lot of his career due to being a Top 3 perimeter defender in the league. People dont even realize he took a lesser role to win a title in NY and even played out of his natural position of SG. This guy gave his all to win and wouldnt back down from anyone.
Larry Johnson- Its a damn shame how nobody even talks about him as a player. He was the closest thing to LeBron today back when he was in his prime, and was a freak physical specimen. He did the Granmamma thing and even with that only a few people remember it.
I can understand saying he's had a lesser career.... but to say "talent wise" he was basically a Joe Johnson..... you must not have watched prime Penny Hardaway.
Watched his whole career....and yeah, Joe Johnson is a stretch, but no one would have ever confused Penny for Kobe or LeBron. Hence, "closer" (in my opinion) to Joe Johnson.
The early Lakers team built around Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Vlade Divac, & Cedric Ceballos. People think these guys sucked just because they were the group who came after Magic's retirement and before the arrival of Shaq.
Thats wrong, these guys were all good players and outside of Divac they were the original team built around Shaq. They could've won a title had they kept them together before Phil arrived.
Van Exel gets slept on for his shot selection, but he was a borderline Top 5 PG in the league with future HOFers like Stockton, Kidd, Payton, etc around
Eddie Jones was a complete player but gets slept on for Kobe taking his job.
Vlade was the best passing big man in NBA history. Name me on 1 better not in the HOF.
Does anyone even remember Cedric Ceballos in his prime? Was a good athlete, put up a double double in points & rebounds as a SG, and led the league in FG% while playing SG. Did all of this in the handcheck era where there werent any easy baskets to the hoop. He had 3 knee surgeries and his career fizzled out.
Basically nothing but Knicks players. For such a major team a lot of our guys are rembered poorly.
Allan Houston- People forget how good of a shooter he was and only focus on the contract he got and his knee giving out on him. Yeah he got overpaid but he basically was a borderline All Star player who you could trust to take the last basket.
Latrell Spreewell- Known only for choking his coach & saying he "cant feed his family" on $7 Million per year. But people dont realize he was a Top 5 SG for a lot of his career due to being a Top 3 perimeter defender in the league. People dont even realize he took a lesser role to win a title in NY and even played out of his natural position of SG. This guy gave his all to win and wouldnt back down from anyone.
Larry Johnson- Its a damn shame how nobody even talks about him as a player. He was the closest thing to LeBron today back when he was in his prime, and was a freak physical specimen. He did the Granmamma thing and even with that only a few people remember it.
I even had those shitty Converse Tar Max .
Last edited by Laimbeer_Rodman : 06-14-2011 at 03:42 PM.
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