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Old 06-26-2011, 12:33 AM   #151
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Name them.
Erm....Dirk?
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:33 AM   #152
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Your question is, international players not in NBA that could be near top 10?
Or just international players?

Player that are currently NOT in the NBA that would be top 10. Top 5?
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:34 AM   #153
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Erm....Dirk?

Again, players NOT in the NBA that would be top 10.
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:38 AM   #154
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Why would you set such a criteria?

International players are international players, regardless of where they play.

Plenty of NBA players are gonna play in this tournament, just so you know.
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:56 AM   #155
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Ermal Kuqo played for the Turkish NT for years and he's Albanian.

Emir Preldzic is Bosnian and the Turkish Federation has been trying to get him cleared to play for them for a while now.

Michael Wright goes by the name Ali Karadeniz and plays under the Turkish flag as does Erwin Dudley (plays as Ersin Dagli) .


They have Dusan Cantekin (formerly Dusan Gavrilovic) playing for their youth team. They also changed his birth date. He was born in 1990, but he plays for their national team for players born in 1992. He is 7'4 center born in Belgrade, Serbia.

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Old 06-26-2011, 01:01 AM   #156
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Player that are currently NOT in the NBA that would be top 10. Top 5?

Is this a serious question?
When you have guys like Lebron, Wade, Bryant, Anthony, Howard, Rose in your top 10 you basically know that there's not going to be international players outside the NBA there.

But i can tell you some names that could fit well (if put in the right systems).
Navarro would be good for a team like Dallas.
Teodosic would be good a slow system.
Papaloukas and Diamantidis in their primes could have been good NBA players.

Sometimes it's matter of opportunites.
I can also say that Sergio Rodriguez if he stayed with Knicks would be awesome with Carmelo and Stoudemire.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:13 AM   #157
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Is this a serious question?
When you have guys like Lebron, Wade, Bryant, Anthony, Howard, Rose in your top 10 you basically know that there's not going to be international players outside the NBA there.

But i can tell you some names that could fit well (if put in the right systems).
Navarro would be good for a team like Dallas.
Teodosic would be good a slow system.
Papaloukas and Diamantidis in their primes could have been good NBA players.

Sometimes it's matter of opportunites.
I can also say that Sergio Rodriguez if he stayed with Knicks would be awesome with Carmelo and Stoudemire.

I just wanted to see if everyone who discusses int'l ball on here was as dense as the guy earlier in the thread claiming a bunch of these guys were better than Rose.

Now that that's been cleared up; what're the odds like for this tourney?
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:28 AM   #158
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Ilyasova was born in Soviet Union. He is Uzbheki national and he has no Turkish roots. His heritage is also from Ukraine. He has no reason to be in Turkey's team.

Turkcan, Preldzic are former Yugoslavs..........they used Turkcan with no real legit reason and are now trying to use Preldzic (even though this time FIBA is finally stepping in).

Turkoglou is former Yugoslav as well, and there are many rumors and beliefs that he is just like Ilyasova and all his documents are fake.

At least with Turkcan and Preldzic the documents are real, even though Turkey should have no reason to have them or try to have them as players.

Ilyasova's info, from birth date and birth place are all fraudulent and he should not even be allowed to play under FIBA rules. Turkoglou is said to be the same way, only for some strange reason he has been able to avoid the scrutiny from the media about this, unlike Ilyasova.

Okur isn't even Turkish either. Again though, he seems to have escaped the media scrutiny on this for some reason.

Anyway, not a single one of them are Turks.

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Old 06-26-2011, 01:36 AM   #159
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I just wanted to see if everyone who discusses int'l ball on here was as dense as the guy earlier in the thread claiming a bunch of these guys were better than Rose.

Now that that's been cleared up; what're the odds like for this tourney?

Rose would be nothing but an average player - AT BEST, in Euroleague.

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Old 06-26-2011, 01:36 AM   #160
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Top guys not from the NBA in this tourney:
Milos Teodosic (Serbia)
Erazem Lorbek (Slovenia)
Omer Onan (Turkey)
JC Navarro (Spain)
Fernando San Emeterio (Spain)
Rimantas Kaukenas (Lithuania)
Marty Pocius (Lithuania)
Sofoklis Schortsanitis (Greece)
Vassilis Spanoulis (Greece)
Bojan Bogdanovic (Croatia)


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Ilyasova was born in Soviet Union. He is Uzbheki national and he has no Turkish roots. His heritage is also from Ukraine. He has no reason to be in Turkey's team.

Turkcan, Preldzic are former Yugoslavs..........they used Turkcan with no real legit reason and are now trying to use Preldzic (even though this time FIBA is finally stepping in).

Turkoglou is former Yugoslav as well, and there are many rumors and beliefs that he is just like Ilyasova and all his documents are fake.

At least with Turkcan and Preldzic the documents are real, even though Turkey should have no reason to have them or try to have them as players.

Ilyasova's info, from birth date and birth place are all fraudulent and he should not even be allowed to play under FIBA rules. Turkoglou is said to be the same way, only for some strange reason he has been able to avoid the scrutiny from the media about this, unlike Ilyasova.

Okur isn't even Turkish either. Again though, he seems to have escaped the media scrutiny on this for some reason.

Anyway, not a single one of them are Turks.

It's Türkoğlu, you idiot.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:41 AM   #161
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It's Türkoğlu, you idiot.

Not according to the people trying to claim he is a Turk, as in Turkoglou, as in the guy claiming Ilyasoglou..............

The hilarious thing about it is that he even mentions Greek Turks.......

Kaimakoglou and Perperoglou actually could have LEGIT claims to play in Turkey's national team, as they are Greeks descended from old Greek areas of Turkey.

They are probably descended from Izmir area, or somewhere like that.

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Top guys not from the NBA in this tourney:
Milos Teodosic (Serbia)
Erazem Lorbek (Slovenia)
Omer Onan (Turkey)
JC Navarro (Spain)
Fernando San Emeterio (Spain)
Rimantas Kaukenas (Lithuania)
Marty Pocius (Lithuania)

Sofoklis Schortsanitis (Greece)
Vassilis Spanoulis (Greece)
Bojan Bogdanovic (Croatia)

Although these are very good players, they are not in that level or class of players. Kaukenas used to be in that level, but not nearly in that level now. Pocius has good potential, but he is definitely not in that level of players yet. He could be eventually, but as of right now, he is a less-skilled version of Brad Newley.
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Rose would be nothing but an average player - AT BEST in Euroleague.
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You clearly don't know jack about basic basketball knowledge. Derrick Rose is severely lacking in most areas of the game that are needed to be able to be a good player in Euroleague.

In fact, he would most likely really suck badly in Euroleague.
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I'm guessing he's gonna say Diamantidis

Diamantidis is the second least athletic player in the entire Greek League. The only guy less athletic than him is about 7-1 300. Diamantidis is far and away the slowest point guard in the Greek League.

He does not have the speed, quickness, nor athletic ability to be anything but a role player in NBA.

Diamantidis could play in the NBA as a SF, defensive stopper, with a good handle, as a decent spot shooter. Something like a more skilled, smaller Bruce Bowen. Or more skilled, smaller Shane Battier.

Or maybe even like a rich man's version of Adrian Griffin (before the injuries).

He would not be anything but a role player, because he is too slow to be effective on offense as a play maker. The main reason Diamantidis does so well in Europe is because of the system that Obradovic uses and the rules there.

He can physically overpower guards and the rules let him, and he can play the game very slow there. He also can use that pick and roll with Batiste, which in the NBA would all just be offensive fouls both ways.

In the NBA, he would become a Shane Battier/Bruce Bowen type, but with a good handle. So he could probably be a world class championship caliber role player in the NBA, but not close to a top 10 player.

In terms of the NBA, if they had a fair chance in the NBA......Greek players like Galis, Spanoulis, Giannakis could have been excellent NBA players easily.

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