Thanks Minnesota for the #1 pick in the 2012 NBA draft - Page 6 - Message Board Basketball Forum

kaiiu · 06-24-2011, 06:59 PM

btw. Yall gone stop disrespecting and underrating my ni99a Eric Gordon.

Clippersfan86 · 06-24-2011, 06:59 PM

Since you're such a smart guy you should post the entire draft order. Notice how many teams passed up these players?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_Draft

Clippersfan86 · 06-24-2011, 07:00 PM

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btw. Yall gone stop disrespecting and underrating my ni99a Eric Gordon.

Beasley is better than Eric Gordon!

KGMN · 06-24-2011, 07:26 PM

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kanter hasnt played official game for over a year, so where would you know that ?

I guess that may be part of the reason I believe Kanter is not as good as Williams, the fact that he hasn't played an official organized game for over a year. That's immediately a concern, as he hasn't had much experience actually playing games as of late. A second reason I believe Williams is better is from watching tons of video of Williams and Kanter, as much as I could. I believe that Kanter can become a permanent solid starting center in the NBA, but Williams has the potential to become a multiple-time all-star with so much upside. He's also a better shooter, scorer, and defender (in my opinion) than Kanter.

FireDavidKahn · 06-24-2011, 07:30 PM

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Okay dude outside of Vince Carter, Pierce and Jamison maybe.... the entire list you put up were either average players, had attitude problems.. or were surprises (like Dirk obviously). Meaning it wasn't that bad. Drafting a legit 7 footer who looked like he could be dominant at the NBA level isn't exactly a rare mistake. Plus... I'm not making fun of the Wolves drafting history. I'm mentioning that they made boneheaded choices this year. I think it's funny they drafted the probable best player in the draft and he's gonna be on the bench all year. Then they kept swapping picks all over the place. I mean if anyone feels Brad Miller>Flynn.. that's on you. You guys got better offensively and worse defensively or at least stayed the same defensively. Given the fact that the Wolves already have solid young pieces they would of been better off drafting for need.

Grabbing a player who immediately fills a hole. Grabbing a player who plays the positions of your 2 best players= bad strategy IMO.

You just don't get it.

1) We got rid of Flynn's salary + he sucks
2) Flynn was becoming a malcontent
3) Brad Miller's contract is being covered by insurance
4) We got a future first out of the deal. Getting a future first for Flynn is amazing
5) Motiejunas doesn't fit on our team at all
6) We still got the guy we were targeting before the draft even happened in Malcolm Lee

Nobody ever looks deep into the trades, everyone just assumes that "OH LAWD, KAHN MAKE LOTS OF MVOES. WHAT IS HE DOING?????"

Clippersfan86 · 06-24-2011, 09:49 PM

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You just don't get it.

1) We got rid of Flynn's salary + he sucks
2) Flynn was becoming a malcontent
3) Brad Miller's contract is being covered by insurance
4) We got a future first out of the deal. Getting a future first for Flynn is amazing
5) Motiejunas doesn't fit on our team at all
6) We still got the guy we were targeting before the draft even happened in Malcolm Lee

Nobody ever looks deep into the trades, everyone just assumes that "OH LAWD, KAHN MAKE LOTS OF MVOES. WHAT IS HE DOING?????"

You can't blame us either. Non Wolves fans don't understand to the level you do and I'll be the first to admit that. It's like other fans telling Clippers fans how trading Baron and what was 1st pick for Mo Williams was stupid.

I'm glad you wrote a list because a lot of those things are things I wouldn't of known, such as who you were targeting (Lee) etc. Surface level to a non Wolves fan... it just looked like a series of bad moves besides the no brainer pick of Derrick Williams. I suppose now that you've explained it in detail.. maybe you guys did the only thing you could do. Which is stockpile more young talent and move Flynn. I never remember Flynn being a malcontent or trouble really... but I also didn't watch him as much as you I'm sure.

Clippersfan86 · 06-24-2011, 10:14 PM

Question No. 10: Who retained his title as Mr. Draft Day Drama King?

"Well, David Kahn. Of course.

Although this time, Kahn's manic maneuvers for Minnesota actually made sense. After taking Williams at No. 2, the Wolves, armed with the No. 20 pick, kept trading down and right out of the first round, stockpiling future second-rounders (and a 2013 protected No. 1 from Memphis). Why? Well, players taken in the bottom of the first rarely stick around, and meanwhile, their contracts are guaranteed. Five of the last 8 players in the first round were traded by teams unwilling to absorb contracts. Plus, the Wolves are already loaded with young players.

But lost in their sensible shuffling was what the Wolves didn't do: make up for their previous mistakes.

By essentially surrendering the No. 20 pick, they have nothing significant to show for Al Jefferson, formerly their franchise player, except Utah's protected 2012 first-rounder. And they have even less to show for wasting a No. 6 pick (and passing Stephen Curry) on Jonny Flynn, dumped Thursday to Houston for a protected future first-rounder. Kahn got 50 cents on the dollar for those guys.

All told, the Wolves have cap flexibility, which is good. And also Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio, Williams and Wes Johnson, but without any proof those pieces fit together."

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/feature...nbahpheadlines

Prodigy · 06-25-2011, 05:16 AM

Pretty sure that David Kahn got rid of the 20th pick to trade down (while getting cash and future picks) as a way of saving money. Seemed like he looked at his roster, and instead of just shoring up on rookies, cut his losses and traded away everyone who he thought would not have a future with the franchise for future cash/picks.

I don't have a problem with that, he is the GM and if he feels that a player won't be able to play I'm all for getting rid of them. He stated in an interview that his team is yet again the youngest team in the league and what he needs isn't more gauranteed contracts and young players but veterans with experience.

Now I'm not sure if Brad Miller will ever see any playing time what with his knee troubles and the microfracture surgery that will be needed, but if he can get that off the books as well it's not a terrible deal for getting rid of a Flynn who was not getting any playing time anyways.

I DO blame him for drafting 3 point gaurds in the first round of the 09 draft though. That was utterly retarded. I'm glad he's not GM'ing for Toronto.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/24/m...s=iref:nbahpt2

dev4life · 06-25-2011, 03:19 PM

Minnesota do keep shooting themselves in the foot. They could have got a better player for Flynn than Brad Miller. Derrick Williams the best pick available; therefore, they need to package a deal that will get them an inside presence. Michael Beasley is all but gone; therefore, go get good center. Rubio, I do not think he going to be the player they expect. Point Guard may remain a problem. It is going to be awhile before the T-wolves get this team back to winning.

qrich · 08-10-2011, 05:12 PM

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My god, reading through this thread is hilarious.

MCHALE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING THE CLIPPERS OUR PICK NEXT YEAR, NOT KAHN.

Think you can get McHale back to give another lottery protected pick for 4 years in a S&T where you get Collins and Clips get Darko?

irondarts · 02-27-2012, 08:00 PM

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GOBB · 03-28-2012, 05:38 PM

Thanks LAC for giving Cleveland Kyrie Irving.

WatsonBGiovani · 04-21-2012, 06:20 PM

brandonislegend · 04-22-2012, 04:44 AM

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Thanks LAC for giving Cleveland Kyrie Irving.

dunksby · 04-22-2012, 05:14 AM

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The Los Angeles Clippers' trade of guard Baron Davis and a first round pick for Cleveland's Mo Williams and Jamario Moon was completed Sunday after Davis passed his physical.