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Old 06-24-2011, 06:59 PM   #31
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All 3 are still scoring-oriented PFs who don't give you much on defense so the comparison is valid. They're just on different tiers where Dirk in his prime was a superstar (still is I guess), Bosh is a player who will legitmately make some All-Star teams while Bargnani overall is average to slightly above-average.

Unless Valanciunas turns into a defensive monster similar to Dwight Howard (yea right) then I still think Ed Davis (assuming he doesn't bust completely) is the PF that you should be looking to pair him up with. Just because you put a "PF" beside Bargnani's name doesn't absolve him of playing interior D and rebounding. Maybe if he was far more efficient as an offensive player it would be easier to swallow but he hasn't been.

Ideally none of these players will be paired in the front court long term.
The reality is you need at least one all-star calibre front court player.

All of these guys including Bargs and val would make nice complements to that player.

Since it is easier to find an all-star pf (I'm thinking a 20 and 10 guy) than c I like the idea of developing val.


I like ed and amir too, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade one or both if we could get a legit piece at another position where we are not stacked.
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Old 06-24-2011, 08:51 PM   #32
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i don't think you mess with the frontcourt rotation you have right now. They all compliment each other so well. Bargs as a pure scorer covered on defense with Valanciunas behind him. Val stays around the rim on offense and compliments Bargs there too. Davis comes off the bench as a contrast to Bargs at the 4 and occasionally next to Bargs. His combo of athleticim,rebounding and skill works well next to either player. You also have Alabi and Amir if you want more size and defense. They should keep this group together as long as possible. Its championship caliber as these players mature. Potential to be LAL quality
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:02 PM   #33
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we've seen what happens when you try to compliment bargnani

there's not a player outside of Dwight Howard who would do what needs to be done DEFENSIVELY and REBOUNDING wise to make up for how horrid bargnani is in those 2 areas
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:22 PM   #34
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A source with knowledge of the negotiations confirms #Raptors reach buyout agreement with Lietuvos for Valanciunas. He joins TO in 12-13.

Not bad.
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Not sure if it's been posted here but something to get excited about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNugzv7_Uo




it's just a highlight reel, but damn, pretty encouraging motor.

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that's good news. nice.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:06 AM   #36
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You've gotta love Bryan Colangelo.

He picks a European first overall at the beginning of his tenure here; get's burned hard by that player, who turns out to be a pussy-ass waste of talent; re-signs that same worthless European player for big money; get's re-signed as GM despite utter lack of success (thank you MLSE for not giving a ****!); and what is the first ****ing thing he does?

He drafts another big dopey European "center" who will help ensure the Raptors' continued status as the softest, whitest team in the NBA since they desegregated the bitch!?! ****.

Actually, there is a rational part of me that realizes that this was a weak draft, that Valanciunas arguably has the most upside of any prospect in it, and that his staying in Europe in a season that will be raped by the lockout anyway will allow the Raptors to tank again and get Sullinger/Barnes/Gilchrist. Part of me realizes that Kemba is a midget and Knight lacks elite athleticism, and that neither are true point guards, and that the rest of the prospects in the draft were pretty uniformly mediocre.

And yet I can't help but laugh at Colangelo's obsession with Europeans, and I also can't help but think that Colangelo should have made a safe pick if he wants a better chance of keeping his job (if Valanciunas isn't a rookie of the year candidate when he does arrive, or if Knight or Kemba ARE rookie of the year candidates next year, I want Colangelo tarred, feathered, and tied onto the next train out of town).
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Old 06-25-2011, 06:51 AM   #37
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You've gotta love Bryan Colangelo.

He picks a European first overall at the beginning of his tenure here; get's burned hard by that player, who turns out to be a pussy-ass waste of talent; re-signs that same worthless European player for big money; get's re-signed as GM despite utter lack of success (thank you MLSE for not giving a ****!); and what is the first ****ing thing he does?

He drafts another big dopey European "center" who will help ensure the Raptors' continued status as the softest, whitest team in the NBA since they desegregated the bitch!?! ****.

Actually, there is a rational part of me that realizes that this was a weak draft, that Valanciunas arguably has the most upside of any prospect in it, and that his staying in Europe in a season that will be raped by the lockout anyway will allow the Raptors to tank again and get Sullinger/Barnes/Gilchrist. Part of me realizes that Kemba is a midget and Knight lacks elite athleticism, and that neither are true point guards, and that the rest of the prospects in the draft were pretty uniformly mediocre.

And yet I can't help but laugh at Colangelo's obsession with Europeans, and I also can't help but think that Colangelo should have made a safe pick if he wants a better chance of keeping his job (if Valanciunas isn't a rookie of the year candidate when he does arrive, or if Knight or Kemba ARE rookie of the year candidates next year, I want Colangelo tarred, feathered, and tied onto the next train out of town).

Now, please, I want all the people who said that the anti-euro thing is all in our minds to adress this post.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:43 AM   #38
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It's apparent in some posters. How often did AMG post here during the season? Once a month? You're right though, that was over the top and a bit of an overreaction too.

I feel like most of the hate towards this pick is due to not knowing anything about Valanciunas. He seems to be pretty much what this team needs in the future, but people are impatient I guess.
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Old 06-25-2011, 09:57 AM   #39
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Now, please, I want all the people who said that the anti-euro thing is all in our minds to adress this post.

agree that his was a pretty belligerent post, but most of the people you accuse of anti-euro actually like this pick. We don't care that he is a euro, we are excited by the fact that he is a more traditional big with rebounding and defensive capability.
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In the Under 19 FIBA tournament today, Val dropped 23 points (6/11 FG, 11/15 FT) and 11 rebounds on the US team.
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solid numbers, i just wanna see some highlights and who he was playing against
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Review of his game today:

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Yes, it was just an exhibition game. And yes, Team USA’s under-19 squad doesn’t appear to be jam-packed with talent and they’ve reportedly only been able to practice together for a few days. Nevertheless, Lithuania delivered a dominant performance in beating USA 108-75 today, and Jonas Valanciunas was far and away the best player on the court.
Valanciunas led both teams with 23 points and 11 rebounds in 25 minutes, and the most impressive part of his boxscore might be the fact that he went to the free throw line 15 times. His length and activity were too much for the Americans to handle and they frequently had little choice but to foul him when he was battling for rebounds or when he had the ball within a few feet of the basket.
Before I break down the various components of his performance, let’s clear something up right now so that anyone who reads this blog can pass this knowledge onto their Raptors fan friends — we won’t know for a while how Valanciunas will fare in the NBA, but I can state with absolute certainty right now that he is the furthest thing from “soft”. He appears to relish battling for rebounds and playing physical defense, and when he got elbowed in the mouth in the second quarter, he simply checked his Chiclets while he went to the bench with an annoyed look on his face. This “all Euros are soft” meme is beyond ignorant and even if you choose to continue to believe that European players tend to be less tough than their American counterparts, I can assure you this doesn’t apply to Valanciunas. So let’s knock off this ignorant discussion point, shall we?
All right, here’s my breakdown of his performance for those of you who weren’t able to watch the grainy feed online.
Offense
Ten of Valanciunas’ 11 field goal attempts came within the key, so it’s evident that he’s most comfortable trying to score in the post. His single mid-range jumper came on a wide-open look from about 18 feet out and he drained it.
While he scored a couple of his field goals off post moves, his overall post game seems pretty unpolished. He doesn’t appear to be a “go-to guy” you can simply feed the ball to down low and expect him to make things happen consistently.
He sets picks willingly, but he showed a tendency to release too early to roll to the basket.
Since he usually had the ball close to the basket and the American defenders couldn’t do much to stop him, I didn’t really get a sense of how good of a passer he is because he didn’t pass the ball much.
He had an off-game at the free throw line by his standards in missing four of his 15 free throw attempts. Of course, I’ll take that kind of “off-game” from most big men, and Valanciunas looked extremely comfortable at the charity stripe with a smooth shooting stroke.
Rebounding
Valanciunas led the Euroleague in rebound percentage (the percentage of available rebounds grabbed by a player while he’s on the floor) this season and it’s not hard to see why. He uses his length, athleticism and toughness to create space and get in the right position for rebounds, and he showcased an ability to fight off multiple opponents and tip the ball to himself when required. For all the question marks about how his game will translate to the NBA, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t average 10 rebounds if and when he’s playing 30 minutes per game.
Defense
It’s just one exhibition game, but Valanciunas doesn’t strike me as the kind of player who flies all over the court swatting shot attempts. Today, he was more of a “shot-botherer” than a shot blocker (although he did have one impressive stuff on a USA fast break) and American players frequently had a tough time making shots inside while Jonas was on duty.
One area where the frequent comparisons to Tyson Chandler made sense was Valanciunas’ ability and willingness to guard perimeter players and effectively use his length on switches. He’s obviously not as strong as Chandler (yet), but the potential to be a similar defensive force is there.
His lack of strength wasn’t really a factor in this game because the Americans don’t appear to be a bruising team. As I mentioned, they were clearly flustered by his length and didn’t make much of an effort to body him up in the post.
Did I mention he’s not soft? He demonstrated more than once that he’s not afraid to give out a hard foul if it means preventing an easy basket. He collected three personal fouls in 25 minutes, and it will be interesting to watch throughout the rest of the tournament if he can stay out of foul trouble while continuing to be an active defensive presence.
That’s about all that comes to mind based on what I witnessed today from the Raptors’ newest prospect. Lithuania’s next game is against Croatia on Thursday at 1:30 p.m. ET when the FIBA U19 World Championship officially kicks off. I probably won’t write a blog post for every one of Valanciunas’ games in the tournament, but I will provide running commentary on Twitter @scottcarefoot for every game I’m able to watch.

http://blogs.thescore.com/raptorblog...19-exhibition/
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I really want to see this guy play. It's gonna be a long ass year.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:38 PM   #44
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I think the mid range shot could be a weapon for Valanciunas (FT shooting usually translates to overall shooting ability fairly well) but I'm glad his inclination is to play in the paint first.

I do think fouls will be a pretty big problem with him (not out of the ordinary) his first few years in the league though. His foul rate was high overseas and the NBA is a lot more strict in that regard.
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I really want to see this guy play. It's gonna be a long ass year.

Watch the FIBA games then. He's playing in both the U19 tourney right now and in the FIBA Eurobasketball tournament with the national team.

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