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Old 06-29-2011, 12:41 PM   #16
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and his defense is really lackluster.

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Sorry based on what??

This is the second or thrid such comment I have seen and I dont find it defensible.

I watched in person 4 games, on tv another 20 - probably listened to another 35 games on the radio.

Derozan is "honestly not a lock down defender at the 3" but I have yet to see a game where he didnt try and give effort that was at least a notch better than others on the team.

DD is in hs 2nd year pro - he is guarding some of the most athletically talented opposition players consistently - given he was in the starting rotation and he screwed up "a couple of few times". He got little or no help on the inside rotation to support him against the drive - do we really need to spell out why that was ???? If his opponent drove by him high the pg or sg that could rotate back to close a lane usually gave a lazy hand check move... do we really need to spell out why that was???

DD is not a Gwal nor a MJ on D but neither were those guys IN THEIR 2ND YEAR.

Did I miss a ton of games where DD mailed in the D effort ?? I mean for the entire game or something - cause I sure didnt see it.

DD's defense is "respectible with effort" and for a 2nd year player - thats ok. No question he has to work on it - but then thats why we hired the coach we did....everyone on this team has to work on it - most a LOT more than DD.

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Old 06-29-2011, 12:59 PM   #17
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Sorry based on what??

This is the second or thrid such comment I have seen and I dont find it defensible.

I watched in person 4 games, on tv another 20 - probably listened to another 35 games on the radio.

Derozan is "honestly not a lock down defender at the 3" but I have yet to see a game where he didnt try and give effort that was at least a notch better than others on the team.

DD is in hs 2nd year pro - he is guarding some of the most athletically talented opposition players consistently - given he was in the starting rotation and he screwed up "a couple of few times". He got little or no help on the inside rotation to support him against the drive - do we really need to spell out why that was ???? If his opponent drove by him high the pg or sg that could rotate back to close a lane usually gave a lazy hand check move... do we really need to spell out why that was???

DD is not a Gwal nor a MJ on D but neither were those guys IN THEIR 2ND YEAR.

Did I miss a ton of games where DD mailed in the D effort ?? I mean for the entire game or something - cause I sure didnt see it.

DD's defense is "respectible with effort" and for a 2nd year player - thats ok. No question he has to work on it - but then thats why we hired the coach we did....everyone on this team has to work on it - most a LOT more than DD.

Derozan is one of the only players on the Raps that give a damn about defense. I agree with Jballer 100%.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:14 PM   #18
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I'm guessing you will start from bargs at 21 and jose not in the top 25...
something he got right

Ridnour, Stuckey, Holiday, Hill, Hinrich over Jose is an absolute joke.

Big Al, Lopez, Monroe, Camby, Varejao, Hibbert, Dalembert, Asik over Bargs is a complete joke as well.

Blake Griffin over basically everyone in the top 8 PF is hilarious.

Demar over J-Rich, Vince, Crawford, Hamilton, Afflalo, Mayo is sadly far from reality.

Rose #1 PG is a joke too.

Gallo, despite how much I like him, is not better than Smith, Butler, Green, Marion, AK, Lewis.

And how in hell is Andre Miller a top 10 PG in the NBA?
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:39 PM   #19
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some good points, but you still have an obvious bias toward your hometown euros. you need to ditch the rose-coloured glasses.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:41 PM   #20
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Ridnour, Stuckey, Holiday, Hill, Hinrich over Jose is an absolute joke.

Big Al, Lopez, Monroe, Camby, Varejao, Hibbert, Dalembert, Asik over Bargs is a complete joke as well.

Blake Griffin over basically everyone in the top 8 PF is hilarious.

Demar over J-Rich, Vince, Crawford, Hamilton, Afflalo, Mayo is sadly far from reality.

Rose #1 PG is a joke too.

Gallo, despite how much I like him, is not better than Smith, Butler, Green, Marion, AK, Lewis.

And how in hell is Andre Miller a top 10 PG in the NBA?
I agree about those guys over Jose is pretty ridiculous. About Bargnani, I'd have Jefferson, Lopez, and Hibbert over Bargnani, but not the others. DeMar's ranking is questionable too, but with the way Vince and Rip have played this past season, it's not ridiculous, but still questionable.

Rose, I think because he got MVP they kind of had to put him at #1.

All in all, it's an okay list, but obviously flawed. Nobody is ever going to agree on a ranking system.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:55 PM   #21
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I seen it over on the RealGM board. Gives you an idea about how someone from the States and an analyst on NBA.com sees our team. We have 2 players ranked in the top 125 players in the league. And nobody in the top 10. Just another outlook on how shitty we are. Jose should have been listed but I'd rather have most of those players over him anyways.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:02 PM   #22
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I agree about those guys over Jose is pretty ridiculous. About Bargnani, I'd have Jefferson, Lopez, and Hibbert over Bargnani, but not the others. DeMar's ranking is questionable too, but with the way Vince and Rip have played this past season, it's not ridiculous, but still questionable.

Rose, I think because he got MVP they kind of had to put him at #1.

All in all, it's an okay list, but obviously flawed. Nobody is ever going to agree on a ranking system.

I think they ranked these according to what that position is stereotypically. So if you are a Center, you need to rebound. And Bargs does not rebound well. Or at all. So if you look closely, I can agree on why he is so far down the list.
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I think they ranked these according to what that position is stereotypically. So if you are a Center, you need to rebound. And Bargs does not rebound well. Or at all. So if you look closely, I can agree on why he is so far down the list.

It would make sense, except for the fact that Brook Lopez is in the top 10.

Sure as hell there are not 13 spots of difference between those two, even stat wise (rebounding wise).
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:11 PM   #24
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It would make sense, except for the fact that Brook Lopez is in the top 10.

Sure as hell there are not 13 spots of difference between those two, even stat wise (rebounding wise).

There is a lot more to the game of basketball then stats. There are lots of intangibles that do not show up on the score sheet. Even with an off year Brook Lopez is considered one of the better young centers of the East. He protects the paint well and plays good help D. I'm positive 98% of Raptors fans would take him over Bargnani.
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There is a lot more to the game of basketball then stats. There are lots of intangibles that do not show up on the score sheet. Even with an off year Brook Lopez is considered one of the better young centers of the East. He protects the paint well and plays good help D. I'm positive 98% of Raptors fans would take him over Bargnani.

You clearly never saw Brook Lopez play, since his defense sucks badly.
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It would make sense, except for the fact that Brook Lopez is in the top 10.

Sure as hell there are not 13 spots of difference between those two, even stat wise (rebounding wise).

Brooks ability to rebound is in question. He averaged almost 10 the year before last, but last year he was just over 5 per game. Really odd discrepancy there.
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Sorry based on what??

This is the second or thrid such comment I have seen and I dont find it defensible.

I watched in person 4 games, on tv another 20 - probably listened to another 35 games on the radio.

Derozan is "honestly not a lock down defender at the 3" but I have yet to see a game where he didnt try and give effort that was at least a notch better than others on the team.

DD is in hs 2nd year pro - he is guarding some of the most athletically talented opposition players consistently - given he was in the starting rotation and he screwed up "a couple of few times". He got little or no help on the inside rotation to support him against the drive - do we really need to spell out why that was ???? If his opponent drove by him high the pg or sg that could rotate back to close a lane usually gave a lazy hand check move... do we really need to spell out why that was???

DD is not a Gwal nor a MJ on D but neither were those guys IN THEIR 2ND YEAR.

Did I miss a ton of games where DD mailed in the D effort ?? I mean for the entire game or something - cause I sure didnt see it.

DD's defense is "respectible with effort" and for a 2nd year player - thats ok. No question he has to work on it - but then thats why we hired the coach we did....everyone on this team has to work on it - most a LOT more than DD.

Derozan tries on D most of the times; but he's AWFUL on D. He was really bad last year. He was Bargnani-esque at the SG, the only thing is, it's easier to cover for a SG's deficiency with a big than to cover a big with perimeter players...
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You clearly never saw Brook Lopez play, since his defense sucks badly.

Not as bad as Bargnani
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Old 06-29-2011, 11:13 PM   #29
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Brooks ability to rebound is in question. He averaged almost 10 the year before last, but last year he was just over 5 per game. Really odd discrepancy there.

Yeah I really didn't understand what happened last year he was a beast in 2010..
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Not as bad as Bargnani

Even if that was true, Lopez would be a slightly better defender, while Bargs is a slightly better scorer and they're equal in rebounding, that still doesn't explain how Lopez is top 10 and Bargs #21.
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