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Old 06-30-2011, 10:02 AM   #31
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LOL! at the people comparing Pierce and Allen to Lebron and Wade. Neither Pierce nor Allen were even the best player on their own team in '08.
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LOL! at the people comparing Pierce and Allen to Lebron and Wade. Neither Pierce nor Allen were even the best player on their own team in '08.

2 top 15-20 players yet they won the title but 2 of the top 3 players cant. if they are really that good as their ranking suggest, they should have won but they havent so its safe to say that wade and lebron are below than pierce and allen
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:51 AM   #33
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2 top 15-20 players yet they won the title but 2 of the top 3 players cant. if they are really that good as their ranking suggest, they should have won but they havent so its safe to say that wade and lebron are below than pierce and allen

do you feel the same way about kobe/shaq in 03 and 04?
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:41 PM   #34
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:42 PM   #35
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They are top-tier players right now.

They are not top-tier players all time.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:13 PM   #36
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LOL! at the people comparing Pierce and Allen to Lebron and Wade. Neither Pierce nor Allen were even the best player on their own team in '08.

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2 top 15-20 players yet they won the title but 2 of the top 3 players cant. if they are really that good as their ranking suggest, they should have won but they havent so its safe to say that wade and lebron are below than pierce and allen

What part of "Neither Pierce nor Allen were even the best player on their own team in '08" do you not understand? You keep bringing those two up as if they were the most important reason they won their title. Yes they were integral cogs, but you are conveniently leaving out the guy who was their leading rebounder, defensive anchor, DPOY, finished higher in the MVP voting than either of them, and their leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs. Before '08, neither Pierce nor Allen were ever known as elite defenders, but the '08 Celtics dominated based upon...DEFENSE. But you purposely ignore the presence of the DPOY in your argument. If Pierce and Allen were so good why did they not win another title the next year when both were pretty healthy? Oh...I forgot. KG was injured for the playoffs. KG is healthy enough to play in the 2010 playoffs, Guess what? They go back to the Finals, and were basically a few minutes from another title.

Also you seem not to grasp the concept of team basketball. Team basketball is not about how good the individual pieces are by themselves. It's about how well those pieces fit together and compliment each other. Pierce's, Allen's, and KG's games do not clash. Each player specializes in something the other doesn't. Heck, KG can even dominate without having to touch the ball. Lebron's, Wade's, and Bosh's games worked well enough to get them to game 6 of the Finals, but frankly Wade's and Lebron's games don't really compliment each others at all. They again were basically just good enough to make it work as well as it did. If Lebron had even attempted to play remotely to his capabilities in the Finals then we more than likely would not even be having this conversation.
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What part of "Neither Pierce nor Allen were even the best player on their own team in '08" do you not understand? You keep bringing those two up as if they were the most important reason they won their title. Yes they were integral cogs, but you are conveniently leaving out the guy who was their leading rebounder, defensive anchor, DPOY, finished higher in the MVP voting than either of them, and their leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs. Before '08, neither Pierce nor Allen were ever known as elite defenders, but the '08 Celtics dominated based upon...DEFENSE. But you purposely ignore the presence of the DPOY in your argument. If Pierce and Allen were so good why did they not win another title the next year when both were pretty healthy? Oh...I forgot. KG was injured for the playoffs. KG is healthy enough to play in the 2010 playoffs, Guess what? They go back to the Finals, and were basically a few minutes from another title.

Also you seem not to grasp the concept of team basketball. Team basketball is not about how good the individual pieces are by themselves. It's about how well those pieces fit together and compliment each other. Pierce's, Allen's, and KG's games do not clash. Each player specializes in something the other doesn't. Heck, KG can even dominate without having to touch the ball. Lebron's, Wade's, and Bosh's games worked well enough to get them to game 6 of the Finals, but frankly Wade's and Lebron's games don't really compliment each others at all. They again were basically just good enough to make it work as well as it did. If Lebron had even attempted to play remotely to his capabilities in the Finals then we more than likely would not even be having this conversation.
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LeBron is overrated....not wade.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:30 PM   #39
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:31 PM   #41
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2 top 15-20 players yet they won the title but 2 of the top 3 players cant. if they are really that good as their ranking suggest, they should have won but they havent so its safe to say that wade and lebron are below than pierce and allen

lol Pierce and Allen werent even that good in the playoffs in 2008. KG was doing most of the heavy lifting in the playoffs.

Lets see their supporting cast

PP and Jesus
KG, Rondo, Perkins, Posey, Eddie House, Sam Cassell, leon powe

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They are top-tier players right now.

They are not top-tier players all time.


This

Wade can go down as one of the best SGs, top 30 all time maybe and LBJ should go down as top 25 but nowhere near top 10.

LBJ is nowhere near as good as Magic right now.

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Old 06-30-2011, 01:39 PM   #43
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Why is it so hard to understand that Wade and Lebron do not compliment each other so your not going to get the most out of their talent. If you put Rose and Melo on this Heat with Bosh they would end up winning more games and probably end up winning it all but that does not make Rose better than Wade or Melo better than Lebron. Also the Celtics team had KG Rondo Perkins which is way better than Bosh Chalmers, Joel Anthony. The Celtics had a better bench, a better coach, played easier teams and struggled more with those teams.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:41 PM   #44
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both are overrated
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Lebron can sometimes be a stat padder but no way Wade is a stat padder ever
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:42 PM   #45
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Wade and Lebron are top 3 players and at worst top 4
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