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Old 07-03-2011, 12:17 PM   #31
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Haters. Just move on already.
This ... it sounds mean, but it's true.

Get over yourselves.

I mean it's going on 4 or 5 years. Find another team to root for in the league.

Though I know it's hard to see what was basically your team on the cusp of winning a title and possibly forming a young dynasty (OKC) ... but it's not the players fault where they ended up.

You may get a team back, eventually.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:26 PM   #32
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Of course owners owe fans something, at least morally.

Bull. They owe them nothing. It's a business, an investment.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:39 PM   #33
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3 years ago today (July 2, 2008), our beloved SuperSonics were stolen from us by David Stern and a buch of OKC country-club yahoos.

Today both Stern and Clay Bennett are losing hundreds of millions of dollars in a lockout brought about by a broken economic model that cost Seattle its team.

Karma is a mighty bitch, Stern and Clay Clay.

In my opinion, if your team gets "stolen", you can root for whoever you want. So quit being mad and pick whatever team you want to root for, call them your team, and stick with them through thick and thin.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:40 PM   #34
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Bull. They owe them nothing. It's a business, an investment.

Except it's not a business in isolation, it's a sport first and a business second. The owener may now have to owe fans somehting, but that doesn't make his decisions morally right. At the end of the day the "business" will always be dependent on the goodwill from fans otherwise there is no business.
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:42 PM   #35
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14,000 over the final season WOW that is bad. Isn't that like 341 per match. THAT IS HORRENDOUS. Now I understand why they have a move.

serioulsy/

ur an idiot

14,000 per game average,

key didnt hold that much. and the seats were so small, my fat ass had to get 2 seats for myself
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Old 07-03-2011, 02:19 PM   #36
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Except it's not a business in isolation, it's a sport first and a business second. The owener may now have to owe fans somehting, but that doesn't make his decisions morally right. At the end of the day the "business" will always be dependent on the goodwill from fans otherwise there is no business.
Well then he doesn't owe SEATTLE fans anything, since there are numerous other cities and fanbases to pool from.

Key Arena was small (part of the reason they lost their team), but still sat over 17k, so with only 14k in it, that's 18% empty. Why the **** would he stay there?

Let's add up all the factors like we're in Bennett's position:

Won't build me a new arena or update the current one, even though they did for every other team

Only selling ~80% capacity

I paid the money to, and have Stern's blessing, to take them home to OKC who will both sell out and take the tax hit to update the arena

Look at what Sacramento just did in terms of keeping their team. Didn't see any of that from Seattle and it's lawmakers and high profile politicians with some juice.

Conversely, look at Seattle and their legislature and how they continue to show they don't really care about NBA basketball in Seattle. Hell, they are going to miss out on 30,000,000 from Bennett because they haven't passed the resolution for the improvements to Key Arena.

And furthermore, years of bitching just comes off, as bitchmade. It;'s not going to bring the team back. I applaud your manipulation of others and their sorrows though, in getting them to pay to send you to games and shit so you can be on tv in your Sonics colors. That's clever on your part, kind of stupid on their's though
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Old 07-03-2011, 02:54 PM   #37
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Even though I'm over it, it's still ****ed up. **** David Stern, Clay Bennett, and all the people out there that are quick to throw out shit like "Oh, get over it...get over yourselves". Come on, now. There's a lot of people in Seattle that actually care about basketball and were extremely saddened by the loss of the team. I'm one of them. I grew up with the team and didn't really "root" for any other team(even though I did root for Sac to kill LA back in the day lol). They were great for the community and even though we didn't win a ton of games every year, people still showed up and expressed their support. It's very similar to what they have going on in the Bay with the Warriors. Stupid loyal fans. Ask Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Nate McMillan, Lenny Wilkens, Downtown Freddy Brown, Ray Allen, Kevin Durant, Rashard Lewis, etc...this was a basketball city. Period.

The point is, yes it's getting to that point where people need to start getting over it and moving on. I'm just sayin...don't be so quick to judge someone who whines about it or mentions it. 2007 was not that long ago and it's let's face it.....most sports fans out there have no idea how it feels to have a team ripped from them. Worst part about it is one of our own essentially helped in doing so. He has the city by the balls so it's not like we can really boycott the guy, either.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:41 PM   #38
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Well then he doesn't owe SEATTLE fans anything, since there are numerous other cities and fanbases to pool from.

Key Arena was small (part of the reason they lost their team), but still sat over 17k, so with only 14k in it, that's 18% empty. Why the **** would he stay there?

Let's add up all the factors like we're in Bennett's position:

Won't build me a new arena or update the current one, even though they did for every other team

Only selling ~80% capacity

I paid the money to, and have Stern's blessing, to take them home to OKC who will both sell out and take the tax hit to update the arena

Look at what Sacramento just did in terms of keeping their team. Didn't see any of that from Seattle and it's lawmakers and high profile politicians with some juice.

Conversely, look at Seattle and their legislature and how they continue to show they don't really care about NBA basketball in Seattle. Hell, they are going to miss out on 30,000,000 from Bennett because they haven't passed the resolution for the improvements to Key Arena.

And furthermore, years of bitching just comes off, as bitchmade. It;'s not going to bring the team back. I applaud your manipulation of others and their sorrows though, in getting them to pay to send you to games and shit so you can be on tv in your Sonics colors. That's clever on your part, kind of stupid on their's though

Or the least they could do. You are acting like the whole population of a city acts as one whole. Many thousands of loyal fans were screwed out of their home team. Some of them the side they supported their entire lives. That hurts and it saddens me people are completely unempathetic to the fans just because the owner has the right to move his franchaise.

You are talking like a typical armchair internet sports fan. What makes Sport so good is the history, memories, shared experiences. That is what makes the NBA the biggest league in the world and anything else just something else. It isn't simply a case of "I own it so I'll do the **** I like", as I said there is a matter of respect, moral duty and love for the game. If there isn't much of those there is no business.

And it you wnat to treat it is just a business decision then you have to accept the consequences that Sonics fans will be hurt, dumped upon and bitching about it for life and they have that right to do so.

I think it's bloody fantastic that people love and care for their teams so much that it hurts when situations like this arise.

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Old 07-03-2011, 03:43 PM   #39
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Fucking get over it. Find a new team to root for, and stop being butthurt bitches. Maybe if you're lucky, the league will expand and the Sonics could be back.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:43 PM   #40
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Don't get why people say move on and all that other bullshit. Your favorite teams gets ripped away and imo you can bitch\complain\be upset for as long as you want. Only thing I would disagree with is saying anything about OKC. There not the one's who stole the Sonics. Any place is going to happily accept a basketball franchise. Not there faults at all.

Besides that bitch away Sonic fans!
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:44 PM   #41
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Don't get why people say move on and all that other bullshit. Your favorite teams gets ripped away and imo you can bitch\complain\be upset for as long as you want. Only thing I would disagree with is saying anything about OKC. There not the one's who stole the Sonics. Any place is going to happily accept a basketball franchise. Not there faults at all.

Besides that bitch away Sonic fans!

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Old 07-03-2011, 03:45 PM   #42
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I cant wait to wear my gary payton established in 1967 OKC thunder jersey....seriously though, the thunder franchise is a fvckin joke.
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:02 AM   #43
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It's embarrasing for the NBA to have a team in such a small market at OKC. The stealing of our Sonics will haunt the NBA for years.
Stern must be looking for new owners to put a team in Peroria, Arizona.
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This whole fiasco was a lesson to fanbases everywhere that no city just deserves a team. Here in LA we did the same thing with NFL and have been waiting forever for a team to replace the two that left. Keep your team happy or it can just up and leave, and no matter how big your city or how deep your history, it can happen.
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No one here(presumably) has issues with Sonics fans being gutted about this, but rather the way they are going about it. The irrational hate for people who had little to do with this comes off petty. David Stern is not the owners' boss, but rather the other way around. This fact apparently needs to be pointed out on a daily basis, and it still seems to not get through to many people. Clay Bennett bought the team, which was approved by the NBA Board of Governors, who are owners' hand-picked representatives. Then he applied to move the team, which was again approved by the same board. What was David Stern supposed to do here exactly? Where does he come in? I mean, if you're going to go through all this trouble of protesting the decision to move the team, you could at least educate yourself on the procedures.

It just seems like the Sonics fans are putting more energy into railing against the NBA, David Stern, and Clay Bennett, than they are in working on getting a new team. That just seems unhealthy, especially considering that in the end, you'll have to go through those same people in order to get a new team.

The whole thing seems a lot like the behaviour of an immature guy who got dumped. He hates his ex, he hates her new boyfriend, he hates her friends because he thinks they were at fault. It's been several years, but he still talks about it every chance he gets, and he spends more time thinking and talking about this failed relationship than trying to start a new one. It just ain't healthy.
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