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Old 07-04-2011, 02:56 AM   #16
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Yes. That is exactly what they are going to do, maybe even go to Australia.

NBA players have a choice of where they can spend their lockout, unlike NFL players who are contractually obligated to play in the NFL.

The owners can not use replacement players because the players are not on strike. Its the owners locking them out, not the players stepping out of the building.


Those small market teams are going to be screwed far worse without a NBA season. Do you think that they are making a profit by not paying player salaries? Player salaries is just a portion of how a team operates. No games = No revenue. There will be no revenue coming in at all. No ticket sales, No merchandise sales, No advertisements, No ESPN/TNT money, etc. Doing all of this for a hard cap is pointless considering it will be the same mediocre product out on the court keeping their arenas only 65% filled & TV ratings low. In the meantime you ruin your opportunity to capitalize on the NBA's recent success, and are left trying to beg the casual fans to come back to watch your team play whenever the lockout ends.

So you're willing to damage a $300 Million dollar asset only to make a small profit yearly with capped salaries at $10 Million? Be my guest.


wtf is this guy talking about .

if you own a business that's losing 500 million dollars annulally, would u continue to run it? i think not
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:02 AM   #17
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How exactly did they cry uncle when those same agreements reached the owners are trying to take back now?

Did I miss something? What are they trying to take back? They want to win even more.
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:43 PM   #18
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wtf is this guy talking about .

if you own a business that's losing 500 million dollars annulally, would u continue to run it? i think not
Each NBA team ia not losing $500 Million annually.

At the most its the Bobcats losing $20 Million per year while thier franchise value drops due to their oncourt failures & poor market with little hope for turnaroud.

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Old 07-04-2011, 02:46 PM   #19
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Default Re: How long before the players cave in?

The damage done to their franchises by a lost season will be greater than the paltry $10m average each is claiming to lose.

How's the NHL doing these days after their lost season? How did baseball do after losing the WS in 1994?
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How's the NHL doing these days after their lost season? How did baseball do after losing the WS in 1994?
Hockey was a niche sport by that point anyway, though. So it didn't help matters. It's still not even really popular nation wide, today. Even after rehabilitating it's image over the past 3 - 4 years.

Baseball recovered 3 years later with the home run race between Sosa and McGuire.

MLB turned a blind eye to clear cut steroid and PDE abuse in order to bring excitement and fans back to the product.
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Default Re: How long before the players cave in?

Judging by the reported offers the owners are throwing out seems like they don't really care when a deal get's done. Obviously no side is going to completely cave. I'd say the owners get closer to what they want tho.

I think the Milwaukee's and Indiana's or w.e teams losing money clearly out number the New York's and L.A's who don't want a lock out to happen.
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Hockey was a niche sport by that point anyway, though.

Baseball recovered 3 years later with the home run race between Sosa and McGuire.

MLB turned a blind eye to clear cut steroid and PDE abuse in order to bring excitement and fans back to the product.

Both leagues lost money from those work stoppages.

NHL used to have a network contract. What are they on Spike now?
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The damage done to their franchises by a lost season will be greater than the paltry $10m average each is claiming to lose.

How's the NHL doing these days after their lost season? How did baseball do after losing the WS in 1994?

Exactly.

Nothing changed in the NHL, it is still the teams in the biggest markets making the biggest profits. There are 7 teams currently for sale, but aren't being sold because the damage from the lockout hurt them more.

Even a great team like the Penguins is losing money each year.

So the parity of small markets finally being able to win with a hard cap didnt pay off in any real dividends for their bottom line.
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Both leagues lost money from those work stoppages.
That's obvious. So will the NBA. They will lose some initially, but if the owners win out, will make more in the long run. Take a necessary loss, in order to win bigger in the long haul. Do you not get that business concept?

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NHL used to have a network contract. What are they on Spike now?
That were still behind the MLB, NFL, and NBA in ratings pre lockout.

So what's your point?
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I think the Milwaukee's and Indiana's or w.e teams losing money clearly out number the New York's and L.A's who don't want a lock out to happen.

To be fair, Milwaukee & Indiana both will be worse off with or without a lockout.

For Milwaukee they're just beyond screwed, more people watched at the arena than at home.
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That's obvious. So will the NBA. They will lose some initially, but if the owners win out, will make more in the long run. Take a necessary loss, in order to win bigger in the long haul. Do you not get that business concept?

No, the problem is that as consistent with the NHL, the same small markets pushing for this lockout will hurt themselves just as badly in the end.

What gain does Minnesota get? Milwaukee? Charlotte? Indiana? Denver?

The battle is over a hard cap which will not change their fortunes. Its simply to protect their poor investments, which will still be made.

The real deal that will help them will be the seperate revenue sharing deal, not a lockout.


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That were still behind the MLB, NFL, and NBA in ratings pre lockout.

So what's your point?

They lost their deal with ESPN & now come on Versus.

Do you know what comes on Versus? D-League games, hunting TV shows, & WEC fighting.

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Players.

Outside of playing basketball what exactly can most of them do? A majority are completely dependant on an NBA pay cheque for a living. A billionaire can live a great life on his/her bank interest. Chances are if you're a billionaire you have a hedge fund anyway.
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Players.

Outside of playing basketball what exactly can most of them do? A majority are completely dependant on an NBA pay cheque for a living. A billionaire can live a great life on his/her bank interest. Chances are if you're a billionaire you have a hedge fund anyway.

Obviously.

The problem is that any idiot NBA player struggling with their finances due to having missed 2 paychecks is not going to influence the NBAPA's decision-making. The owners suggested that the players save their money, they were talking to the representatives of the teams. Which is ironic because none of those 30 guys or so are the type of players who would need that advice.

For the high profile guys, they make very good money from their endorsements along with their NBA salaries.

Do you see LeBron begging the NBAPA to get a deal done because hes "broke"? What about Kobe? Wade? Yao? Dirk? Melo? Dwight? Durant? CP3? Deron?

So how exactly is the NBAPA going to fold? A hard cap & non-guaranteed contracts are for more serious issues to the NBAPA than putting a cap on max contracts offered in 1999.

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That's obvious. So will the NBA. They will lose some initially, but if the owners win out, will make more in the long run. Take a necessary loss, in order to win bigger in the long haul. Do you not get that business concept?


That were still behind the MLB, NFL, and NBA in ratings pre lockout.

So what's your point?

What the owners are really trying to do is lock the players in a 10 year deal which will exclude them from the new TV deal that is coming up in 5 years. However if we get a work stoppage, the owners may be shooting themselves in the foot, as the new deal will lose value. The last deal was like $2 billion. The next one will probably be $3-4 billion.
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Depends on the players.

Lebron probably give in after about 82 / 4 * 3 = 61.5 games.
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