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Old 07-05-2011, 01:01 PM   #16
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Default Re: The Finals really ruined lebron - i mean just before the finals...

Doesn't change the fact that he choked. That's the definition by example of choking. You play at such a high level and come in as clear favorites, then you under-perform drastically on the biggest stage.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:02 PM   #17
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Doesn't change the fact that he choked. That's the definition by example of choking. You play at such a high level and come in as clear favorites, then you under-perform drastically on the biggest stage.


We all know that he......
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:03 PM   #18
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:40 PM   #19
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Wut u guise choking on
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:26 PM   #20
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the finals just showed his true colors. he's a sidekick that thinks he's batman and all he needed to do to win his first ring was play decent let wade dominate and win fmvp but bronzy would rather quit and get embarrassed than let that happen.
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Old 07-05-2011, 02:33 PM   #21
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the finals just showed his true colors. he's a sidekick that thinks he's batman and all he needed to do to win his first ring was play decent let wade dominate and win fmvp but bronzy would rather quit and get embarrassed than let that happen.

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Old 07-05-2011, 02:51 PM   #22
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He started stepping up as soon as Wade hit big shots in the game. Especially that four-point play Wade got.

It's safe to call Lebron a front runner.

I had no idea someone making a shot means other people on the team automatically make their shots.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:17 PM   #23
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Technially this isn't even accurate

Game 1: Alley oop dunk after game had been decided

Actual total: 3 points

Game 3: Conceeded open floor layup after game had been decided

Actual total: 0 points

Total 4th quarter points for series: 7 points

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Old 07-05-2011, 03:26 PM   #24
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Technially this isn't even accurate

Game 1: Alley oop dunk after game had been decided

Actual total: 3 points

Game 3: Conceeded open floor layup after game had been decided

Actual total: 0 points

Total 4th quarter points for series: 7 points


I don't think you understand what the word technically means.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:30 PM   #25
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I don't think you understand what the word technically means.
Yea, you're right ... it's actually the opposite. But you get the picture, and the point still stands.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:33 PM   #26
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Yea, you're right ... it's actually the opposite. But you get the picture, and the point still stands.

Y u so mad bro? cuz he raped the bulls? All you do is hate on lebron.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:44 PM   #27
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Y u so mad bro? cuz he raped the bulls? All you do is hate on lebron.
I hate on LeBron for his lack of respect for I game I hold near and dear. I hate on LeBron because he turned his back on his own potential. I hate on LeBron because he cheated a generation of fans out of greatness.

That's why I'm mad, bro.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:49 PM   #28
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Default Re: The Finals really ruined lebron - i mean just before the finals...

Lebron had a very good eastern conference run. No doubt.

However, Lebron played like a total scrub in the finals. And its going to really hurt his legacy....as it should.

Lebron has now played in 2 finals and he's been awful in both. He did deserve a pass for 07, but now it looks like he can't handle the pressure of playing on the biggest stage.

And its not like he walked into a an all time great team with no help or something. I don't think people understand what we just saw. We saw Dirk (not playing his best) and a bunch of specialists and role players beat a prime Wade/Lebron/Bosh in the finals. And the Heat had homecourt and a 2-1 series lead. And they blew a 15 point lead at home with 7 minutes to go.

I have defended Lebron here. And he often does deserve defending, but not for this. Lebron could not have come up smaller. Its impossible. He went from shutting down Rose to getting dominated by Terry. That isn't physical. Its mental.

Its one thing to play poorly. Like Kobe in 04. Kobe just didn't get it done. He didn't shrink from the moment and he wasn't afraid. I hate how Kobe played in that series and how he's played in the finals throughout his career, but he never just "wilted"......Lebron did.

Lebron lost his aggressiveness. He played "hot potato" with the ball in nearly every 4th qtr. He stopped playing any defense at all. He made mistakes high school coaches would be upset at their players for.

Lebron's legacy will remain tarnished for some time. Maybe forever....and it possibly should be.

The stakes are now even greater for Lebron going forward. He dropped in my rankings. I had him in the top 20 after this year, now he's around number 25 for me. When you play on a team as stacked as the Heat and can't get it even close to done in the finals....it hurts you.

If Lebron ever does something like this again in any playoff series, his legacy will be nothing. He'll never get over it.

Lebron has to win 3 titles in the next 5 years to repair this. And he has to win in impressive fashion. And if he does, he'll be up there in the top 10 range of players all time....right where he should be.

If he doesn't? He won't finish in the top 15 all time. He'd still have a great career, but nowhere near what he should have had. Like Simmons said recently, "Lebron got "everything".....he got blessed with the ability to do everything well on the court"....and he's wasting it.
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I hate on LeBron for his lack of respect for I game I hold near and dear. I hate on LeBron because he turned his back on his own potential. I hate on LeBron because he cheated a generation of fans out of greatness.

That's why I'm mad, bro.

I don't get how he disrespected the game. He works on coming into training camp as fit as possible. He works on his game in the off season. He stays late after practice. There is a difference between acting like a arrogant douche vs disrespect for the game. Eddy curry disrespected the game.

He didn't turn on his own potential cuz he was living up to his potential up until the finals. He still has a shot to become the top 5 GOAT. He already dominated the regular season like a few have.

We witnessed greatness in the Eastern conference semis, and ECFs.

I want good players to be on good teams so they don't rot their primes away. Maybe you have a different view.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:12 PM   #30
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Too early to say.He is still young and has a good team.If he wins some rings and perform well in finals first two will be forgetten for majority.

Kobe had such finals too in 2004. (22.6 ppg with %38 and 2.2 rpg &4.4 apg) What will do next is matters.
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