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Old 12-22-2006, 05:44 PM   #31
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steve nash is the engine that gears the suns. if you stop the engine you stop the car.

the way the spurs do it, is they clog the lane. the way the suns shooters get open shots is because nash drives the lane, the defense collapses on him and he kicks out to wide open shooters...or he drives, the defense collapses and he passes or alley oops to marion or amare.

the spurs defensive rotation is what makes this effective. when nash blows by parker he doesnt chase nash, he goes and defends the next guy while someone else, say bowen, cuts off nash. then when nash looks back to pass to the guy bowen was guarding, thinking he is open, parker is already on him, so that eliminates the wide open three.

the dunks amare gets, you just have to let go, but if you shut the perimeter down, its hard for the suns to win, because ultimately they live by the three and they die by the three.

AWESOME analysis. mad props.

it takes tremendous focus to stick to the plan, NOT sag in and try to help, and always focus on forcing Nash to NOT find open perimeter players.

only problem with this: boris diaw and amare is back. now you have a 2nd creator on the floor who is nearly as adept as nash, and of course a guy that can get high % shots inside.

it will be a true test for the spurs, especially considering they're getting a little creaky in the knees.

if both teams are healthy, i'm sure this will be the finals...er...conference finals matchup. i know i know, dallas fans won't like that, but its my opinion...
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:45 PM   #32
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Play either 3-2, 1-3-1, 3-2 Matchup or a 1-2-1 zone on defense.

On offense, take the shot clock down to 10-13 seconds before running a play. That way you shut down the Suns hitting a shot every 20 seconds.
I agree.
I do recall some TX team beating them in the 05-06 playoffs.
Besides the shoot clock , get all the boards, which means block outs, no matter what the match ups are. A running team that can't run , can't get easy transistion buckets or fast break points.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:12 PM   #33
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This is why the Suns look so good during the reg season, and not so good vs good teams in the playoffs. They don't play defense and their offense can be figured out.

The main thing to remember vs the Suns is that in transition they mainly look to get 3s. All during the regular season teams are told that in transition D, go back to the basket, but the Suns are trying to get to the 3pt line. The best thing to do is give yourself a chance to defend both, stop above the ft line and be able to put a hand in a face or give them trouble driving and finishing if need be

And yeah, you have to definately stay on Amare and stick to most 3pt shooters and not let the 3pt shooting kill you. And definately take advantage of their lack of D and take good shots, attack the basket and only open jumpshots. Still best to play out of the post.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:37 PM   #34
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This is why the Suns look so good during the reg season, and not so good vs good teams in the playoffs. They don't play defense and their offense can be figured out.

If that was the case they wouldn't of made the conference finals the last two seasons. Their offense has never really been fiqured out. Yeah they have struggled with defense at times but thats not their downfall. In the past It was rebounding and mainly that.
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:26 PM   #36
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PLAY AN F'N 3-2 ZONE!!!!!

When the heat almost came back with their bench players, they played the 2-3, took out the driving lanes, and got hands in the faces of shooters.
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This is why the Suns look so good during the reg season, and not so good vs good teams in the playoffs. They don't play defense and their offense can be figured out.

What the hell? They made it to the WCF both years, one year without any post players. They don't look good in the playoffs? They lost to the eventual world champions in 2005 and without Amare or KT they lost to the Mavs in 2006.

How is that not looking good? Didn't they beat a very good Dallas team in 6 games in 2005? Swept the Grizzlies with ease that year too?

In 2006 they beat a good Laker team and a great Clipper team and were up 19 points in game 6 of the WCF before not being able to get any points in the paint and Dirk going insane.
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As difficult as it sounds, you have to stop the Suns from getting dribble penetration. If you keep the guy with the ball out of the lane, that stops your defense from sucking in and allowing the Suns to start swinging the ball around the perimeter. That's when they kill you, because they eventually get a WIDE open three or a weak side cut to the hoop.
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:22 PM   #39
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Every time I hear an NBA analysis or former coach talk about how to beat the Suns, it's always the same thing. Stop them from running, keep your turnovers down, rotate quickly on defense.

But despite knowing how to beat them, no one seems to be able to execute on a regular basis.

I'd like to see a team try something different and instead of trying to keep the Suns from running, how about outrunning them?

Part of what makes the suns so effective is their athleticism and conditioning. If the rest of the teams in the league were in as good a shape, it would be a different ball game, but the Suns are used to running, and their bench is deep with players who play that style of game.

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Their offense does get slowed by good teams in the playoffs. They got of the frist and 2nd rounds last year by the skin of their teeth and those LA teams weren't that good. The Suns got it handed to them in the WCF, lucky it went to 6. The previous year, Dallas had little identity and wasn't nearly as good as they are currently, and they could've beaten the Suns. And the Suns were lucky they didn't get swept in the WCF. Good teams figure them out.

I swear, I'd consider it a miracle if the Suns make it to the WCF this year with the quality in the West. Seriously, even if they are the 1 seed, they're out in teh 2nd round.
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Old 12-23-2006, 04:11 AM   #41
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Notice how Nash was settling for 3s down the stretch? It's cos he was tired after carrying the team offensively. Any team that can score with them has a chance if you stay home with everyone and let Nash work..
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:53 AM   #43
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If that was the case they wouldn't of made the conference finals the last two seasons. Their offense has never really been fiqured out. Yeah they have struggled with defense at times but thats not their downfall. In the past It was rebounding and mainly that.

Ka-ching. They've always....always been outrebounded in the playoffs because they lacked the necessary bigmen. People try to make it sound like some magical formula, but nobody has figured the Suns out. The Spurs never blew the Suns out in the playoffs and against the Mavericks it was a back-and-forth exchange of frequent spurts. But rebounding is the key, when the Suns rebound, you can't beat them, because odds are, their offense can do a lot more damage than yours can.

The one thing, more than anything else, that stifles the Suns, that shuts down their game, messes with their offensive flow, is when teams get a lot of offensive rebounds. That kills any chance of a fast break, slows the game down even more and cuts off any and all momentum that Phoenix has. Teams that can get offensive rebounds, win against the Suns. San Antonio did it, last year Dallas did it, even the Clippers and the Lakers both did it.

The first year they had Amare and Hunter, last year it was Diaw and Tim Thomas, this year is the first year that the Suns will have some true inside presence with Diaw, Amare and Kurt Thomas.

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Old 12-23-2006, 09:15 AM   #44
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I wouldn't stop the Suns.

You wouldn't stop the Suns.

Nobody stops the Suns unless it's playoffs, when everyone tries their hardest on the defensive end. Even then they can still get their's.

In the regular season they can only stop themselves with bad shooting and turnovers. That's it. That's all. Let's not pretend like we all have some magical defensive strategy that no NBA coaching staff has discovered yet.

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It's only for dekkaration. da whistles go WOOT WOOT.

Anwyays sticking on topic, clutch has a good point on the bad shooting and TOs. That usually results of good defense.

Suns are always going to have stretches in the game when they cant make shots and thats when they other team would make a come back. Once they miss a couple of shots the other team just has to realize that and try their hardest to score.
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