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Old 07-21-2011, 06:09 PM   #1
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Lightbulb How are 4 Lakers in Top 10 GOAT list justified?

1. Kareem: a laker is there cuz of what he accomplished. 6 reg sea MVPs & 5 finals MVPs

2. Magic: another Laker is there cuz of his accomplishments (3 reg sea MVPs 2 finals MVPs) & transformed the NBA PG position forever.

3. Shaq: another laker is there because of Sheer dominance of early '00 decade. But even Shaq has underaccomplished with only 1 Reg Sea MVP & ZERO DPOY when he was clearly most dominant player in the NBA for 5-6 yrs anywhere inside the paint.

4. What has kobe done differently to earn a legit spot on Top 10 GOAT list.

5. West is bound to be there in Top 12 GOAT list so basically 5 lakers in Top 12 GOAT list. Is it fair for other lesser struggling franchises..

6. Celtics only got 2 in Top 10 GOAT (bird & russell) despite winning more titles than Lakers

ESPN, NBA mouth pieces like Mark Jackson are so adament on guaranting kobe Top 10 spot when he clearly hasnt earned it.

Players like Big O & Hakeem & Duncan who played for lesser struggling franchises like rockets, Royals, spurs get the shaft & clearly do not get the respect.

Is it a crime to be drafted into garbage franchise & not be as lucky as kobe & West & Magic & play for high & mighty Lakers?

Isn't Hakeems accomplishment much much bigger than Kobe's by lifting a garbage franchise & winning them back-2-back rings in much tougher era & sweaping MVP, Finals MVP, DPOY in same year?

what you all say?
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM   #2
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Because the other Celtic champion teams where pretty loaded and very team-oriented so that's why there's no clear-cut superstar to put in a top 10 list.
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Default Re: How are 4 Lakers in Top 10 GOAT list justified?

Its easy. You have two GREAT young players coming in to the league. They are clones, same skills, same mindset, same athletic abilities, equal at EVERYTHING. You put one on Lakers and one on some bad team (pick one). Player that gets lucky enough to play on Lakers will be in top 20 list with ease. Player on bad team with same stats and play will have really hard times to even hit the top 30 list.
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1. Kareem: a laker is there cuz of what he accomplished. 6 reg sea MVPs & 5 finals MVPs

2. Magic: another Laker is there cuz of his accomplishments (3 reg sea MVPs 2 finals MVPs) & transformed the NBA PG position forever.

3. Shaq: another laker is there because of Sheer dominance of early '00 decade. But even Shaq has underaccomplished with only 1 Reg Sea MVP & ZERO DPOY when he was clearly most dominant player in the NBA for 5-6 yrs anywhere inside the paint.

4. What has kobe done differently to earn a legit spot on Top 10 GOAT list.

5. West is bound to be there in Top 12 GOAT list so basically 5 lakers in Top 12 GOAT list. Is it fair for other lesser struggling franchises..

6. Celtics only got 2 in Top 10 GOAT (bird & russell) despite winning more titles than Lakers

ESPN, NBA mouth pieces like Mark Jackson are so adament on guaranting kobe Top 10 spot when he clearly hasnt earned it.

Players like Big O & Hakeem & Duncan who played for lesser struggling franchises like rockets, Royals, spurs get the shaft & clearly do not get the respect.

Is it a crime to be drafted into garbage franchise & not be as lucky as kobe & West & Magic & play for high & mighty Lakers?

Isn't Hakeems accomplishment much much bigger than Kobe's by lifting a garbage franchise & winning them back-2-back rings in much tougher era & sweaping MVP, Finals MVP, DPOY in same year?what you all say?


No, Hakeems accomplishments were great and i dont want to take anything away from that but lets not forget that the best player in the world at that time was somewhere in AAA baseball trying to hit a curve ball.

You can't discount a players greatness just because he played for a great franchise, Players make franchises great, franchises don't make players. If Kobe doesnt develope into the player he's become its not very likely the 99-02 Lakers are as dominate as they were. Which in fact, brought the LA franchise back into the spotlight. How relavant were the Lakers when Nick Van Exel & Eddie Jones were the two best players on that team?
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:27 PM   #7
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Players like Big O & Hakeem & Duncan who played for lesser struggling franchises like rockets, Royals, spurs get the shaft & clearly do not get the respect.

Hakeem & Duncan are universally respected as top 10 guys all time.

Kobe Bryant has earned top 10 status. He is the 2nd best SG in the history of the NBA. He has led his team to 2 championships and been a major part of 5 championships.

He deserves that top 10 status, as do Hakeem & Duncan.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:29 PM   #8
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Its easy. You have two GREAT young players coming in to the league. They are clones, same skills, same mindset, same athletic abilities, equal at EVERYTHING. You put one on Lakers and one on some bad team (pick one). Player that gets lucky enough to play on Lakers will be in top 20 list with ease. Player on bad team with same stats and play will have really hard times to even hit the top 30 list.

That happened with Kobe. He came along the same time as Vince & TMac, in fact he came along a year and two years earlier than those guys yet he is still out there as a top 5 SG in the NBA right now while the other two aren't relevant whatsoever.

Kobe is great. Calling him top 5 all time is overrating him but he is top 10 all time, in fact he is #10 in my eyes after Jordan, Jabbar, Wilt, Shaq, Larry, Magic, Russell, Duncan, & Hakeem.
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That happened with Kobe. He came along the same time as Vince & TMac, in fact he came along a year and two years earlier than those guys yet he is still out there as a top 5 SG in the NBA right now while the other two aren't relevant whatsoever.

Kobe is great. Calling him top 5 all time is overrating him but he is top 10 all time, in fact he is #10 in my eyes after Jordan, Jabbar, Wilt, Shaq, Larry, Magic, Russell, Duncan, & Hakeem.

Same thing with Magic. He is one of my favourite players but thats the way i see it. If he is drafed by Bulls (which he refused) he wouldnt be considered as top5 player (he is on my list) for majority (in that case Bulls dont get Jodan of course). Dont you agree on that? If he did what Jodan did with the Bulls he would be GOAT but that is highly doubtful.
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Default Re: How are 4 Lakers in Top 10 GOAT list justified?

Most consistently succesful team of all-time, you moron.
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Default Re: How are 4 Lakers in Top 10 GOAT list justified?

Titles is only one measurement, and who knows, the Lakers may pass the Celtics in the next couple of years.

Lakers have way more Finals appearances, more playoff appearances, more winning records, less trips to the lottery, etc etc.
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1. Kareem: a laker is there cuz of what he accomplished. 6 reg sea MVPs & 5 finals MVPs

2. Magic: another Laker is there cuz of his accomplishments (3 reg sea MVPs 2 finals MVPs) & transformed the NBA PG position forever.

3. Shaq: another laker is there because of Sheer dominance of early '00 decade. But even Shaq has underaccomplished with only 1 Reg Sea MVP & ZERO DPOY when he was clearly most dominant player in the NBA for 5-6 yrs anywhere inside the paint.

4. What has kobe done differently to earn a legit spot on Top 10 GOAT list.

5. West is bound to be there in Top 12 GOAT list so basically 5 lakers in Top 12 GOAT list. Is it fair for other lesser struggling franchises..

6. Celtics only got 2 in Top 10 GOAT (bird & russell) despite winning more titles than Lakers

ESPN, NBA mouth pieces like Mark Jackson are so adament on guaranting kobe Top 10 spot when he clearly hasnt earned it.

Players like Big O & Hakeem & Duncan who played for lesser struggling franchises like rockets, Royals, spurs get the shaft & clearly do not get the respect.

Is it a crime to be drafted into garbage franchise & not be as lucky as kobe & West & Magic & play for high & mighty Lakers?

Isn't Hakeems accomplishment much much bigger than Kobe's by lifting a garbage franchise & winning them back-2-back rings in much tougher era & sweaping MVP, Finals MVP, DPOY in same year?

what you all say?

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How is Hakeem better then Kobe?
Less success, personal accolodes and longevity.
He wasn't overly efficient either; Kobe can still win titles too. He can surpass everyone except Jordan, Wilt and Kareem by the time he retires. 2 more titles, and FMVP, 3 more all-NBA teams, scoring record and couple great playoff runs will cement him above Bird, Magic, Shaq and Duncan. As well as Russell. 7 titles, 4 FMVP, scoring record, 11 all-NBA, 15+ all- stars etc. Is worthy of being on the pantheneon of greatness!
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How is Hakeem better then Kobe?

faaak!

Not again!

same old explainations over & over again!

Fact # 1: 1994: One player set the NBA Record having the single most individual greatest season. Better than MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird you name it.


Hakeem swept 1994 NBA MVP, 1994 DPOY & 1994 Finals MVP making him & only him as the most successful invidividual season any NBA player ever had.

now compare this to Kobe's failing to even have an MVP sweep (reg sea MVP + Finals MVP) in 15 seasons.

Fact # 2: hakeem's Finals Performances >>>>>>>>> Kobe's Finals peformances.

1994 NYK were favorites to win it all after getting over grueling 7 games series against Jordanless Bulls. Knicks in 6. The Dream vs Ewing Match up for the ages. Hakeem clearly outperformed arch nemesis Ewing in classic 7 games NBA finals.

1995 Rockets were again underdog to Shaq's Magic coming off soundly beating Jordan's Bulls. Orlando had home court adv over Rockets. Young Shaq vs aging 33 yrs old Hakeem again Match up for the ages. Rockets butt raped Shaq & Magic in 4 game sweep. Hakeem again outperformed Shaq clearly. Old aging Hakeem won every crucial pts, rebs down the stretch. Now all time classic is the Game 1 buzzer beater game winner tip in by Hakeem over shaq.

NCAA Success: Hakeem (Kobe picked warming Laker bench instead of forging his own legacy with UNC or DUKE)

NBA Success: Hakeem (not just MVPs & Finals MVPs. Hakeem 2 x back-2-back DPOY)

Finals Success: Hakeem (Hakeem won vs Ewing & vs Shaq & vs DRob)

Hakeem is locked Top 8 GOAT above SHAQ (hint: 1995 NBA Finals)
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faaak!

Not again!

same old explainations over & over again!

Fact # 1: 1994: One player set the NBA Record having the single most individual greatest season. Better than MJ, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird you name it.


Hakeem swept 1994 NBA MVP, 1994 DPOY & 1994 Finals MVP making him & only him as the most successful invidividual season any NBA player ever had.

now compare this to Kobe's failing to even have an MVP sweep (reg sea MVP + Finals MVP) in 15 seasons.

Fact # 2: hakeem's Finals Performances >>>>>>>>> Kobe's Finals peformances.

1994 NYK were favorites to win it all after getting over grueling 7 games series against Jordanless Bulls. Knicks in 6. The Dream vs Ewing Match up for the ages. Hakeem clearly outperformed arch nemesis Ewing in classic 7 games NBA finals.

1995 Rockets were again underdog to Shaq's Magic coming off soundly beating Jordan's Bulls. Orlando had home court adv over Rockets. Young Shaq vs aging 33 yrs old Hakeem again Match up for the ages. Rockets butt raped Shaq & Magic in 4 game sweep. Hakeem again outperformed Shaq clearly. Old aging Hakeem won every crucial pts, rebs down the stretch. Now all time classic is the Game 1 buzzer beater game winner tip in by Hakeem over shaq.

NCAA Success: Hakeem (Kobe picked warming Laker bench instead of forging his own legacy with UNC or DUKE)

NBA Success: Hakeem (not just MVPs & Finals MVPs. Hakeem 2 x back-2-back DPOY)

Finals Success: Hakeem (Hakeem won vs Ewing & vs Shaq & vs DRob)

Hakeem is locked Top 8 GOAT above SHAQ (hint: 1995 NBA Finals)

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